How Poll: How Many Streams will TiVo Sell in the six months?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by sbiller, Sep 6, 2012.

How many TiVo Streams will TiVo Sell in the Next Six Months

Poll closed Sep 15, 2012.
  1. < 5,000

    44.6%
  2. 5,000 to 10,000

    17.6%
  3. 10,000 to 15,000

    12.2%
  4. > 15,000

    25.7%
  1. agredon

    agredon New Member

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    TiVo's own site is misleading....

    This wording would lead one to believe that the TiVo Stream can do nothing with Copy-Once or Copy-Never recordings, as it makes no distinction between streaming and copying. When I first read this, I like I'm sure many others interpreted this to mean that the TiVo Stream was simply doing MRV and not really streaming...and thusly was of no help with copy protected recordings.
     
  2. agredon

    agredon New Member

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    Some people have more than one and businesses own some. I don't own one myself, but I use one at work.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Made sense to me. It says not all shows can be "transferred", and higher up it makes a clear distinction between streaming and transferring. Plus you just have to think about the iPad as another TiVo. You can stream anything TiVo to TiVo, but you can only MRV things that are not protected. The Stream works the same way just with a transcoding device in the middle to convert the video into a format the iPad can play.

    Dan
     
  4. NYHeel

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    I hear that but just realize that it has more to do with what you're used to and comfortable with than actual screen size.

    I also prefer watching TV on my TV than on my ipad. But I realize that it's mostly based on a lifetime of habit and comfort doing it one way. It's the same reason I don't love watching TV on my desktop computer even with a nice 24" screen.

    With that said I still like watching on the ipad and find this helpful when the kids are on the TV or the TV is otherwise unavailable. I actually like this better than a slingbox because I can watch something on it when my kids are watching one of their shows. I don't like the idea of having many TVs in my house and this provides an extra viewing opportunity when necessary. If only they allowed out of network streaming.
     
  5. Austin Bike

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    I am going to guess that this is just their way of covering their butts. There are all kinds of flags on digital content and can be wrong for no apparent reason. It's probably easier to put that warning in, it gives them a way to dodge the calls or at least get people off of support calls quickly.
     
  6. nrc

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    Email promo claims that response has been "overwhelming" and quantities are limited. Sounds like they underestimated on their first production run.
     
  7. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    Email promo??
     
  8. jfh3

    jfh3 Active Member

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    TiVo marketing sent out an email earlier today, presumably to those that signed up to be notified when the Stream was available. There was no promo offer, at least not in the one I received, except for free shipping if you bought a DVR which they have had forever.
     
  9. walkingdogs

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    And this is exactly why I will not be buying a TiVo stream, yet. The main market that they are neglecting is every person with a Tivo and a laptop or a computer at their office or another room in their house where a TV is not present which dwarfs the number the iPads out there. And when Windows 8 arrives and the massive amount of new mobile devices that will be coming I certainly hope they don't drag their feet on supporting this OS. There will be more windows 8 devices in the first year than Apple and Andorid OEM's have sold in 3 years.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    If you're counting laptops then maybe. But I doubt that will be true of tablet form factor devices. Apple has sold something like 70 million iPads since they were released. It's going to take a long time for MS to catch up to that, if it ever can.

    However I do hope they add this functionality to TiVo Desktop or a Win8 app. I'd really like to be able to copy shows to my PC already recoded for iPad. Then I could just quickly edit them in VideoReDo and copy them to the iPad. That'll allow me to cram a few more shows on my iPad because I wont have wasted space from the commercials.

    Dan
     
  11. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    I'm sure the content owners are anxious to get this done! :rolleyes:
     
  12. walkingdogs

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    Outside of Win RT tablets, which I do feel will struggle with adoption, a good chunk of Win 8 devices will be hybrid devices that will offer both tablet and laptop functionality so in a years time there will be a huge amount of these devices in the market. As of Oct 26 and going forward every new laptop, convertable, desktop, AIO or tablet that is windows based will be running Windows 8 or Windows RT. 70 million windows devices sold in a year worldwide is easily reached. Windows 8 is going to make standalone tablets redundant devices. Just look at the Surface Pro for one example of what is coming.
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That's debatable. For businesses maybe, but I think most consumers are coming to realize that they don't really need a full blown PC for their daily usage. The convertible tablets are going to be popular among workers, but I think consumers are really starting to move into a post-PC era. So the question really is... can the RT tablets can make any inroads in that space? They may eventually, but I think it's going to take a lot longer then a year to dethrone Apple. Even Android, which has a majority share of the phone market, is struggling in the tablet space.

    I'm not saying Apple is unbeatable, I just think it's going to take more then a year for it to happen.

    Dan
     
  14. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They may not be, but given my business stake in this I really hope TiVo is going to do it anyway. :)

    Dan
     
  15. walkingdogs

    walkingdogs New Member

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    Since the OEM's are once again going to play the race to the bottom with the hybrid devices, why would a consumer spend $600 on a 32gb ipad when they could spend a little more on a device that serves all the purposes of a tablet and also runs every piece of traditional software and interfaces with all their other peripherals that they are accustomed to and already own? That is going to be the beauty of Windows 8, and once customers realize that the allure of the iPad and tablet only devices will tarnish, and that is why i think Win RT will struggle. Windows 8 is truly a consumer OS and businesses will stick to deploying Windows 7. I know that Apple won't be beat in a year, if ever, but their market share will have a big dent in it very quickly.

    I am disappointed that TiVo is limiting their potential customer base with a device like the TiVo stream by just making it iOS compatible. They are cutting off their nose despite their face. How they do not have a Windows client is not understandable.
     
  16. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Because most people don't really need to run anything other then the built in apps anyway. The vast majority of consumer PC users use it to browse the web, check email and light document/photo editing. A full blown Windows 8 machine is overkill for them. So it all comes down to ease of use. I've been a Windows user for 20 years and no version has ever been easy to use. Especially when you start throwing third party apps and peripherals into the mix. iOS's walled garden approach may be limiting, but it's extremely easy to use and maintain. I'm not sure Windows 8 will be quite so polished on it's first iteration.

    Not to mention MS has gone out of their way to make using the Desktop portion of Win8 as difficult as possible. They want to force people into Metro, so the appeal of running all those apps you already own is going to ware of rather quickly.

    It's iOS specific right now, but there is nothing built into the hardware them from expanding to other platforms. In fact they're working on Android support right now. And based on a little bit of poking around I did it seems the stream uses standard JSON scripting for commands and HLS for streaming, so pretty much anything should be possible down the road.

    Dan
     
  17. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    How much time would you save versus what it takes for VRD to recode to iPad specs (I noticed it provides an iPad profile)?
    Do you usually transfer THAT much material and convert it for your iPad? :p;)
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    A quick edit of an H.264 file takes a few seconds. A full recode, even on my i7, takes about 45 minutes per hour of content. Not to mention the transfer from a Stream is faster then a TTG to the PC. Probably because it's using the MRV interface instead of the TTG interface, which requires extra encryption and muxing steps.

    The only time I ever really convert stuff for my iPad is when I go on vacation or a business trip. (maybe a couple times a year) But when I do I usually take a bunch of stuff because I don't know what I'll be in the mood to watch while I'm away.

    Dan
     
  19. en sabur nur

    en sabur nur Member

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    I'm actually switching from a single TivoHD. I really like the extra two tuners and faster transfers!
     
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