How much money do you save with Tivo?

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  1. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

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    Nope but the daily show is notorious for bad guide data so I would expect that media center and TiVo would have the same issues.

    For example my roommate records death valley on MTV and said I should give it a try. On media center it is set for new only and it had 20 episodes recorded vs 6 on TiVo. There had only been 6 episodes and every single recording on media center had the episode name and synopsis. Several of the recordings were recorded the same night multiple times.

    I have pretty much left media center to my roommate. It has potential but there are way too many things that need to be fixed before I would ever depend on it for my home.
     
  2. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    Bad guide data will affect any DVR, regardless of whether it's a Tivo or a Media Center PC. Unless it's flagged with metadata that identifies it as a repeat showing it's going to get recorded. Otherwise, the DVR thinks it's a first run showing and just does what it's told.
     
  3. newsposter

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    i expect to save 80 bucks a month canceling directv :) at least thats the plan. I used to read about how much lifetime costs and think people were nuts paying that huge fee up front....then i realized that 600 for the new premiere is just 8 months of directv cost then after that it's literally money in the bank.

    so my final savings with tivo should be 960 a year!

    i just hope the box doesnt break after my 3 year warranty expires....i'm assuming they will fix the box if it's more than the hard drive i can do myself
     
  4. premiereman

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    I have TWC and save about $25 a month on 2 boxes with lifetime. I don't consider myself saving ANYTHING until after the break even point of 2.5 years because I had to fork up a lot up of money upfront for the units. Since joining, I've noticed a lot of TiVo owners don't seem to take that into consideration.

    Fortunately, TiVo's have really good resale value so you can recoup a lot of the cost you intitially paid for the devices when a new device is released (which seems to be every 2-3 years with TiVo, unlike Apple which goes through hardware revisions every single year).
     
  5. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    Only if you have lifetime on it. Resale value for Tivos with no lifetime is crap. You're better off salvaging the hard drive and then selling the Tivo for parts.
     
  6. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Amusing thread.

    DVRs are a luxury item and TiVos are premium DVR.

    Anyone who thinks you buy a premium luxury item to save money, please IM me I have a great investment for you. Best swamp land on the planet.

    Either you want to spend your discretionary income on a DVR or you don't. Either TiVo offers enough added value over your alternatives or it doesn't. Both are individual determination based on your own individual preference and circumstances.

    If all someone is concerned with is "saving money" the answer is simple don't watch (or even own) a TV and you will same lots of money.
     
  7. Charles R

    Charles R Well-Known Member

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    I have used TiVos off and on since 2000 and I haven't keep detailed records but overall I'm fairly certain I have made money using TiVos over the years. Such that I sold them for more than I have paid taking the dozen or more units into account. Buy a unit, buy Lifetime, upgrade the drive and list it on eBay for a modest profit. Based on a variety of factors you'll sell it within a few days or several weeks. I have sold three in the last few months. When it sells repeat the process.

    Typical experience... several years ago I dropped Comcast and purchased two Premieres and used both of them for roughly a year. When I decided to sign-up with Dish I upgraded their drives and sold them for above my actual cost (including eBay fees, etc). Of course you should consider new models and such. If they get introduced you have plenty of time to upgrade and unload your current model.
     
  8. Charles R

    Charles R Well-Known Member

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    Actually, you wouldn't be saving money you would be not spending money. There is a big difference.
     
  9. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Actually the only way to "save" money is to not spend it.

    Associating saving money with spending money only exists in the minds of persons brainwashed by modern marketing.

    You may spend less by buying something at a time that its price has been reduced but you are still spending money not saving it.
     
  10. Charles R

    Charles R Well-Known Member

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    They are not mutually exclusive.
     
  11. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    but the more you spend the more you save! :) thats what the store ad told me

    and for the record i save 100% of my salary every week..until the checks clear
     
  12. mattack

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    You're not being logical, since you HAVE to pay for cable with the Elite. It does not work with OTA. So if you mean you're saving $80 from "lowest end basic/lifeline cable" to what you paid for at DirecTV, fine.
     
  13. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

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    I saved over $100 a month by dropping directv and going with FiOS. I gained faster internet, HD, and didn't lose any channels so it is possible. I was paying $150 to directv and $90 to Verizon for Internet. My bill is less than $130 these days on Verizon.
     
  14. newsposter

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    elite???
     
  15. slowbiscuit

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    This is not true, I have observed the same behavior - WMC will record shows that Tivo won't because it's not using the data the same way. WMC is inferior to Tivo in this regard, you don't have the issue (or more likely, don't care) but it does exist.

    And I have also seen cases where the WMC guide data is not as up to date as Tivo's, for whatever reason. The bottom line is that Tivo is more accurate for recordings.

    But the best DVR I've seen for this, hands down, is Myth, because it doesn't forget anything - every show recorded is kept in the DB so you never get the same show twice if the guide data is accurate.
     
  16. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    I'll admit I don't know how either setup uses the guide data for determining what gets recorded other than a show being flagged as a repeat. Multiple airings of a new episode on channels like FX or USA can sometimes sneak into the recording lineup because the software can't differentiate between a new episode and one that's aired in the same week. I tend to browse my recording list frequently to weed out extraneous recordings such as FX's infamous three-minute replays.

    I also can't vouch for the quality of the guide data. I was under the assumption that both Tivo and WMC get their guide data from third parties and just relay it to their respective devices. I do like the fact that I have the option in WMC to update the guide data whenever I want and not have to dial into Tivo HQ and cross my fingers hoping that it will actually download an update to the guide data.

    I've heard a lot of good things about MythTV. I never pursued using it because it doesn't always support the devices you have in your PC. I stuck with WMC because it was the only media center interface that worked with the InfiniTV4 cablecard tuners from Ceton. I understand that MythTV may have added support for the tuners if the channels are flagged as copy freely. I'm on FIOS so there's a good chance it will work for me. Perhaps in the near future I may experiment with MythTV and see if it works for me. For now, WMC does what I need and has been surprisingly stable for a Microsoft product. I'm no Microsoft fanboy, but Windows 7 is the most stable release they've ever developed.
     
  17. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

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    I find WMC only goes out 10 sometimes 11 days but it varies by channel. TiVo is always a consistent 12 days for me.

    I think WMC only looks at the repeat flag which is a poor way to do it. TiVo since it uses the 28 day rule obviously uses things like original airdate among other things to tell if an episode is new or a repeat.

    I would love to see TiVo implement a DB like Myth, but I don't record a ton of repeats so I wouldn't get much use out of it.
     
  18. slowbiscuit

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    I'm seriously on the fence about switching back to Myth with the new support for Ceton and HDHomerun Prime Cablecard tuners. I would miss a few protected movie channels on Comcast (Encores, mainly) but I don't sub to premium channels which are the biggest drawback to using CC tuners with Myth on Comcast. unnatural, if you're on FIOS nothing is protected so you could experiment with Myth and get everything. Try it, you'll definitely like the master-slave architecture better than the poor excuse for extenders that we have with WMC today.

    I used Myth before for a few years to get clear QAM HD channels but switched to WMC when 7MC came out, mostly because I could also use the PC as a Win server and part-time game PC in addition to overflow clear QAM recordings when my Tivos are busy. It doesn't get much use for that.

    But now that you can build SFF, low-power, near-silent PCs with CC tuner support on Myth it might be a good way to upgrade from Tivo. Takes some work to do correctly but a good Myth setup just blows Tivo away, and last time I ran it I had high WAF with the UI skin that I chose. Auto commercial skip, outstanding and reliable DVR capabilities with tons of features, ability to play everything on the net natively with integrated video mgmt, browser w/Flash if you want webTV, it's got it all - probably the closest thing to what GoogleTV envisioned.

    Hmm. The Elite has thrown another variable into the mix, assuming that Tivo can get the initial issues worked out and releases the Previews at a fair price. Guess I'll be waiting a little longer to see how it shakes out, I hope they've learned some lessons from the Premiere snafu.
     
  19. Beryl

    Beryl Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I wasn't unhappy with Comcast's DVRs but didn't like the idea of renting a device that didn't let save programs to external disks or files. They promised me that they would eventually support that capability. Their DVR started to fail but I didn't want to lose a couple of programs so I suffered with the flakey DVR for an extra year. I offered to keep the flakey DVR but asked them if I could just pay less in rental since it didn't work correctly. Of course that wasn't an option. Their response, "Bring it in and we'll give you a new one. Thank you for using Comcast."

    Before purchasing my first TiVo HDXL about 3 years ago, I created a spreadsheet comparing Comcast DVR rental with TiVo and service. The calculated break-even was 4.5 years. Since then, I purchased 2 TiVos more with break-even at 2-3 years. So, yes, I'm saving money as long as I don't upgrade every couple of years and catch the best deals offered at the time.
     
  20. Johnwashere

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    I save over 70 A MONTH becuase of my tivo ;) If I subscribed to my cable companys box and channels I would be paying sooo much more. Thanks tivo! :up::up:
     

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