How do I upgrade the Bolt Laptop hard drive for a Normal Hard drive ( 3.5 inch) ?

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  1. UCLABB

    UCLABB Well-Known Member

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    Just buy a bare drive, a power supply and a molex to sata adapter.
     
  2. BobCamp1

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    You're talking about the eSATA port on the Tivo. I agree no one can use that.

    But he was talking about the eSATA port on the back of the external enclosure. Why can't he use that? eSATA and SATA are electrically equivalent. He'll need the right eSATA to SATA converter cable with the right genders on both ends, but it'll mean one less hole to cut.

    Most people don't bother getting cute with the plumbing and just route a single internal SATA cable into the external enclosure, cutting a hole into it if needed.
     
  3. pl1

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    I was in fact talking about the ESATA on the external enclosure. Like I said, people "were" doing that originally until TiVo updated their software. Now you can not use an ESATA to SATA adapter and you must go directly from the TiVo to the Hard Drive SATA to SATA.



     
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  4. cpgny9

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    The ESATA on the Hard Drive enclosure will not work. As mentioned, people were connecting some external hard drives via the ESATA (with and without adapters) in the past, but a TiVo software update (I believe last December) stopped that. I think the only external drive that can use the ESATA is the old TiVo certified and sold 1TB WD drive that hasn't been sold in years (and to be honest - not even sure you can still use that one either).

    Its really not that difficult to connect SATA to SATA. One end connects to the motherboard in the TiVO (its the exact same plug "socket" that the original drive plug would have been unplugged from) and then connect the other end to the smaller of the 2 plug connectors on the hard drive itself (not the hard drive enclosure, but the actual hard drive).

    Depending on the external enclosure you get, the connector to the hard drive may be 1 plug or 2 (Whenever you use an external enclosure, tivo or not, you need to plug the enclosure into the hard drive itself). The enclosure I previously posted has two separate plugs 1) SATA plug 2) power (not the power plug you put in the wall, but the power connector to connect directly to the hard drive itself). Plug the SATA cable coming from the TiVo (that has one end you already connected to the motherboard) directly to the Hard Drive, plug the power connector from the enclosure directly to the hard drive (do nothing with the enclosure's SATA cable), plug the external enclosure's actual power cord into the wall, Plug the TiVo power cord into the wall, turn on your TV if you haven't already, and you will see it going through the start up/set up.

    There's a bit more to it if you go over 3TBs, but up to 3 you're good to go.
     
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  5. BobCamp1

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    OK. I'm now assuming that the eSATA port on those recommended enclosures isn't directly connected to the SATA port of the hard drive inside but is going through a microcontroller. The one I'm staring at in my lab isn't like that and would work just fine. It's been around a while and unfortunately doesn't have the manufacturer or model number on it.
     
  6. ggieseke

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    If there's no controller between the eSATA port on your enclosure and the drive it's worth a shot.
     
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  7. skipper64

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    I know this thread is kinda old and that not one person answered your question about how to do the upgrade to the 3.5 inch drive but did you ever get it going? I have a WD Red 3.5 inch 2tb drive and an external enclosure all cables and can not find and instructions on how to get a bolt with hydra upgraded to a 3.5 inch drive. All I see is bickering about what people think is best but not saying what to do.
     
  8. ClearToLand

    ClearToLand Old !*#$% Tinkerer!

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    There are good answers, with LINKS, in this thread and there are multiple other threads, some with lots of pictures, describing how to switch to a 3.5" HDD on a Bolt.

    If these instructions are too difficult for you to follow, you might have to re-evaluate your technical abilities and possibly pay someone like Weaknees for a new HDD with installation. Quite a few folks seem to get themselves in over their heads here and then expect volunteers to bail them out (MoCa and WiFi come to mind too).;)
     
  9. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    Thoughts on Using an External HDD With a Bolt
     
  10. skipper64

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    I guess I failed to explain my complete problem. My bolt hdd is dead and I am stuck on hydra and want to try and upgrade to an external drive. I have searched here for 3 days and have not found any solutions to my specific problem. I have seen your post and that is if your tivo is working and you want to switch drives.

    Oh and your condescending attitude is completely unnecessary. You must be pretty proud of yourself.
     
  11. ClearToLand

    ClearToLand Old !*#$% Tinkerer!

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    It doesn't matter if your current HDD is dead or not - if you believe that you have the technical ability to repair it yourself, you use GOOGLE and RESEARCH what HDDs work with TE4. You supply power to the external HDD with an external power source; you use a slightly longer SATA cable to connect the external HDD to your TiVo motherboard; DONE!

    Since your current HDD is dead, you have nothing to lose by connecting up a new 3.5" 2TB HDD to your Bolt.

    @V7Goose posted a new thread on this topic last Thursday. Since the Bolt came out, there have been MANY threads on this topic over the past few years, some with great pictures. What should be inferred by the fact that you could not find ANY in three days?

    You originally posted:
    which is not true.

    I'm capable of finding these posts in this thread, along with other posts in other threads - why couldn't you? Three days?

    A tip: use GOOGLE instead of the TCF SEARCH function. There's a LINK at the bottom of my ReplayTV FAQ on the AVS Forum explaining all of the options that one can use with GOOGLE. Start with "Site: tivocommunity.com".

    I'm a fan of "Teach a man to fish" over "Give a man a fish".

    Many times I'm told that my answers are too technical, too deep, too long. One of the best threads on this topic, that I remember, was maybe a couple of years ago. A gent with dark eyeglasses and in a suit, ~30-40 years old, IIRC, posted LOTs of pictures of an external 3.5" HDD case with a fan with plenty of LINKs - LONG post too IIRC. I have no idea what his name is today - but if I come across it again, I'll leave you a LINK. :)
     
  12. ClearToLand

    ClearToLand Old !*#$% Tinkerer!

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    GOOGLE: tivo bolt external case fan site:tivocommunity.com

    got me a LOT of posts but not until I saw a picture of the Rosewill case ( Armer RX304-APU3-35B - External 3.5" SATA III 6 Gbps Hard Drive Enclosure - Rosewill ) was I able to narrow it down to:

    GOOGLE: Rosewill RX304 site:tivocommunity.com

    which eventually got me to the post from @Tivogre : Bolt Hard Drive Upgrade Choice

    How long did that take? ;)
     
  13. skipper64

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    I completely get the teach a man to fish. I have googled it many times and must be entering the wrong words because I keep ending up at the same pages, and there are many, like you and everyone else says, that explain how to hook up an external drive to a tivo bolt.... THAT IS WORKING. I have not seen any posts that explain how to hook up an external 3.5 in hdd on a bolt running TE4 with dead hdd and it just works.
    My WD RED drive is not on the list of drives that do not work with TE4, but it does not work. My bolt is on TE4 and the hdd is dead. I followed some posts and hooked up new hdd directly to mb of the bolt and turned on the hdd and then the tivo and it shows tivo then starting up then tivo and just keeps going back and forth. I'm thought it was because of TE4 but mayby I'm wrong.
    I love solving my own problems. You Tube has many videos on changing hdd's but they are ALL on working Bolts.

    I will keep googling how to hook up an external 3.5 in hdd to a bolt with dead hdd. Something is bound to show up.
    I feel lucky in a way that I am the only person ever to have my particular problem. That must be why nobody understands what I am trying to ask.
    I already have it hooked up it just does not work. That is my problem.
     
  14. ClearToLand

    ClearToLand Old !*#$% Tinkerer!

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    The condition of the existing / old TiVo HDD doesn't matter.
    If you DID connect the new HDD directly, bypassing all of the electronics in the Rosewill case (except for power), then you need to trying writing zeroes to the new HDD. Use WD Data Life Guard Diagnostics.
    We'll see... ;)
     
  15. My Cape is a Recliner

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    :rolleyes: Get off the horse, and quit your crying when you start off your REQUEST FOR HELP, with this.

    You started off condescending yourself. If you searched for three days and couldn't come up with a better thread (which I found in a few minutes), being respectful when asking for help, and starting your own thread about your own problem, with details about where you are, and what you have tried is too much for you. Here you go. TiVo Superstore | Upgraded TiVo DVRs, Remotes, Parts, Repairs


    It has been answered many times, and you do not have...…. your TiVo does not have a unique problem.
     
  16. skipper64

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    WOW
     
  17. tommage1

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    Just in case you don't see my latest reply to this thread I will reply direct to you. The fact that your drive is dead makes no difference if you are doing 3TB or under, the Bolt will format the new drive. And will work TE4 or TE3. Strictly a SATA to SATA upgrade, no ESATA involved. No cutting of the case. Entire upgrade (other than the drive) should be under $30. Enclosure (read post for what model I used). two Sata cables (one male at one end, one female so can attach to each other) and a molex to SATA power adapter for inside the enclosure. VERY easy and pretty cheap (depending on which drive you use of course). If you like WD I'd go for purple over red, red has NAS firmware that assumes there are multiple drives, purple has A/V type firmware. Even better the Enterprise model, most expensive but no application specific firmware I think, just like a few years ago before all these application specific drives came out.

    Note, I used an older model 3TB Toshiba 3.5 that I KNOW is PMR. Cost me about $40 I think. However unless you are sure you can find a drive you know is PMR probably best to stick with current models.

    TE4 Bolt upgrade with external drive
     
  19. skipper64

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    Thanks for the info.
    I still could not get it to work. I bought another case the Roswell Armer RX304 External 3.5"
    and a new sata to sata cable in case the first one was faulty that went directly from the hdd to the mb of the bolt. The hdd was powered from the external case and it still will not get past the starting up screen just like it did when I first tried. There is no excuse but I guess that is why I got so frustrated was people are just pluging in compatible hdd's to a tivo on TE4 and they work. I have all the same equipment they have and it didnt work for me.
    Using data lifeguard I checked WD Red 2TB drive for errors, wrote zeros to it and still could not get it to boot up.
    It doesn't make me an expert in anything but I have built 2 computers with raid 0 hdd's so I figured I could hook up a new hdd to the tivo but it was not to be.
    I ended up buying an external hd from weaknees and hooked it up and it booted up just like everybody elses did. This one uses a cable that goes from the esata on the back of the weaknees case (which is a silver Roswell case) to the mb of the bolt and it just worked. Don't have a clue what I was doing wrong but thats the way it goes sometimes.

    Anyway thanks to you and everyone else who tried to help.
     
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  20. tommage1

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    Very strange. I would have guessed you needed to fully format the new drive but you did (writing zeros). Only thing else I could think is there was something corrupted on the motherboard flash drive. Why/how a weaknees drive could get past that I don't know. Too bad it is a Bolt. If a Roamio now that the Tivo is up and running (ie maybe it repaired something wrong on the flash drive if that was the issue) could have tried hooking up the older setup to see if it works now. But CANNOT do that with a Bolt, cannot swap drives around, will lose everything on both in most cases.

    Am curious, what size drive did you get from WK? I know you probably won't and probably shouldn't but would be fun to CLONE the drive you got from them. Just to have a backup of what was probably a fairly expensive drive. Would have been best to do it before installing though, now it is "married" to your specific Bolt.

    Hang on to whatever warranty you got from WK. I think you are running TE4? With my setup I went Sata to Sata as TE4 software updates sometimes "broke" Sata to Esata setups. I think most if not all of those were user done upgrades though, not sure a TE4 update ever broke a WK Esata upgrade. If you looked inside the enclosure I would LOVE to know the size, make and model of the drive they used :)
     

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