How do I make this TIVO Series-2 device work...

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ben321, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. Jan 2, 2012 #1 of 19
    Ben321

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    ... in this configuration? The diagram I made below shows everything I think you need to know to help me here.
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    I'm not allowed to post links here or images (not gotten to 5 total posts yet) so I put a space between the "/" and the "2hh0eur.png" in the above text. The diagram is absolutely essential for you to understand my computer configuration.

    Thanks for any help you can give.
     
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    JosephB

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    Ben321

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    Would love to have you actually help me out with my above network configuration. I'm not gonna shell out $90 for making my TIVO Series-2 wireless, when I only payed $13 at Goodwill to get it used! Got a good deal getting it used, so I'm not about to waste my savings by shelling out $90 to upgrade it when I'm not even sure if it completely works (used devices from Goodwill have NO WARRENTY so if I spend $90 on this upgrade, and it doesn't work with it, then I've WASTED $90).

    So yeah, some help from IT professionals at this forum on how to configure my network so TIVO Series-2 will work in my current arrangement (as shown in the diagram) would REALLY help. Do I have to change router settings maybe? Maybe change certain network configurations on my computer? Maybe change registry entries in my computer? Maybe download additional software (DHCP server, DNS server, etc) to make my computer "look" like a router to the TIVO Series-2 box? Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated.
     
  4. Jan 2, 2012 #4 of 19
    JosephB

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    Well, your diagram only goes so far in showing how your network is set up, and I charge $99 an hour when I do side work, especially when there's attitude involved.
     
  5. Jan 2, 2012 #5 of 19
    Ben321

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    Unfortunately I haven't really been satisfied with my TIVO and finding alternatives that are plain DVRs has been futile, and maybe if I can get my TIVO hooked up to the network I'll be able to run some 3rd party software that will "hack" my TIVO and turn it INTO a "plain DVR". It doesn't like to be on a LAN only, so I need to get it on the internet, but once that is done, since it's on the same LAN as my computer I should be able to figure out some h4x for it. Cause having to PAY for a SERVICE to get it to do what decades old technology known as a "VCR" can do for FREE is just DUMB! And having to use the old magnetic tapes that store analog video as the alternative to paying for TIVO is also DUMB, and so if I can get TIVO to behave as a simple VCR with the exception that it uses a harddrive as the storage medium instead of a tape, that's what I want to achieve. I don't care about channel guide. I don't care about recommended shows. I don't care about automatic starting and stopping of recording. I just want a simple device that can record video to a file on a harddrive for later playback, and preferably a userfriendly way to copy those files off that TIVO's harddrive and onto my computer's harddrive for playback in Windows Media Player or VLC Player would also be nice.

    Read my other post where I talk about how hard it is to just find a generic DVR and you'll see what my problem is.
     
  6. Jan 2, 2012 #6 of 19
    steve614

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    You're going to need more than a software hack to make the Tivo work without a subscription.
    Hope your hand is steady with a soldering iron. Plus (IIRC) you'll have to know how to program a custom E-prom microchip.
    And because this is considered "theft of service" in this forum, nothing more can be said about the topic.
     
  7. Jan 2, 2012 #7 of 19
    shwru980r

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    Some of the older Series 1 Tivos will record without a subscription. I think a Series 1 is your only option for what you're willing to spend.

    A Series 2 with lifetime service is going to cost around $100, but you might find one cheaper if you look hard enough.

    The time and effort it would take to hack an unsubscribed Tivo is going to cost you more than $100, unless you don't place any value on your time.
     
  8. Jan 2, 2012 #8 of 19
    JosephB

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    Theft of service is illegal. When you pay for TiVo service you're paying for the guide data that TiVo has to pay for from Tribune. They're not trying to rip you off, there are costs involved on their end.

    There are stand alone no service DVRs out there, you just have to be willing to find them. I think Echostar has one for OTA and then Channel Master does as well. Anyway, you won't find any sympathy for trying to steal service here.
     
  9. Jan 2, 2012 #9 of 19
    lrhorer

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    Not really. Your configuration is pretty trivial. You are attempting to use the XP workstation as a bridge between the S2 TiVo and the wireless LAN. The short answer here is, "Windows can't do that." You are definitely using the wrong device to try to do whatever it is you are trying to do. The last is not clear, however. Exactly what are you trying to do with the TiVo?

    Whatever it is, you won't be able to manage it with a Windows machine there. Load Linux on the machine or try something else in terms of getting access to the wireless LAN.
     
  10. lrhorer

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    I charge a great deal more than that, but I refuse to do the work at all when it involves theft. Unless he intends to write completely new software for the TiVo, what he is attempting is theft. Of course, I'm not too concerned, as he is attempting to do this with a Windows machine, which pretty much guarantees he does not have the knowledge necessary to reach his goal.
     
  11. lrhorer

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    It requires a lot more than that, even. Programming the PROM and soldering it in is the easy part. Basically he would have to replace the TiVo software entirely. It still wouldn't work,though, because a Windows XP machine cannot be used in the way he is attempting to do. It's a fool's errand.

    Technically, if he replaced the TiVo software entirely, it would not be TOS, but doing that would be far, far more time, trouble, and money than buying a used lifetimed TiVo.
     
  12. unitron

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    I'm afraid you lack a sufficient understanding of what a TiVo is and what it isn't, but maybe we can work around that.

    On the back of the TiVo is a sticker and on that sticker should be a model number that starts with TCD.

    What is it?

    Have you tried running the TiVo through guided setup yet?


    Have you already set up that XP computer with what Microsoft calls "Internet Connection Sharing"?

    Keep an eye on Craigslist, you might find that TiVo Wireless G adaptor for around $25.
     
  13. pdhenry

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    Then buy it (the G, not the $90 N) from a second source at Amazon for $30, or pay $15 more to buy directly from Amazon and send t back if it doesn't work.
     
  14. Arcady

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    Plug an ethernet cable into the tivo from the router temporarily to test the unit.

    Or turn on ICS in XP and run it as you proposed in the diagram.

    What Series2 box had ethernet? I think only the DT model, right?
     
  15. lrhorer

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    'Won't work. Microsoft claims ICS works on XP, but it does not. It requires XP Pro, but even then, it won't work as shown. ICS does not support any IP address other than 192.168.0.1 on its shared interface, and the uplink interface cannot be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet.
     
  16. wmcbrine

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    Yes.
     
  17. replaytv

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    As others have mentioned, no wireless adapter costs $90. They are for sale on this forum and ebay for $25.
    And as mentioned in other posts, your assertion that there are no other DVRs available is just ridiculous. There are many available new and used.


    You can buy a Series 2 with lifetime for about $60 on ebay if you spend a little time, and then you will have all the features and connections to your PC that you want. (or it is possible to buy a lifetime box at the thrift store or craigslist for $10 or $20 if you want to spend the time to search around town.)
    Or just use your PC as a DVR. That would probably be the easiest way to go.

    If you have a bunch of time and don't want to spend any more money, then write your own software for the Tivo and delete the existing software.
     
  18. unitron

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    If all you want to do is record SD video, pick up any ReplayTV 4000 or 5000 series unit. (You can probably get one for just shipping.) DNNA (the company which operates the DVR side, Directv bought the patents) has pretty much opened up the boxes. You no longer need a subscription to make them work. You just need to run WiRNS on the XP machine and have the RTV connect through that device to set the clock. You can use Windows Internet Connection Sharing to connect the cross-connect cabled RTV to the internet via the usb dongle. WiRNS can download the mpegs to your PC. If you have the desire to actually use the RTV as a DVR, you can pay schedulesdirect $20 or so for one year of guide data. WiRNS will fetch and load the guide data to your RTV.

    Cheers!
    -Doug
     

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