How do I get OTA HD on TiVoHD onto server as HD MP4?

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by IEBA, Oct 8, 2011.

  1. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    FWIW,
    • Cable has nothing better to offer, just more of the same (exception: live sports).
    • Most anything on cable is eventually available online, if one is willing to wait a season or two.
    • One is going to be "paying" for OTA whether they watch it or not, so they might as well watch it to get their money's worth.

    IMO, of course.
     
  2. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    Nonsense! HBO. Showtime. Cinemax. MGM. HDNET. TCM. TMC. Encore. UHD. In total more than 40 channels. Even the ad supported channels (which I avoid when possible) like Discover, USA, Hallmark, SyFy, AMC, A&E and a host of others have a plethora of programming vastly superior to anything found on the national networks. I am not interested in sports in the least. Again, let those who are pay for them and stay out of my pockets.

    Admittedly there is also a great deal of nauseous-making content on Cable, but at least with Cable I can stop paying for it whenever I find the content to be too poor overall. To be sure, it would be preferable if I could have them shut off basic cable, ESPN, TNT, TBS, VH-1, etc, and only pay for the channels I want, but it is still better than network programming.

    Here is the list of most of the content on my server. Where and when can I expect to see these online and in HD? More to the point, we weren't talking about online. On which Network Television channel may I expect to find them, uncut, uncensored and without commercial interruptions?

    It is exactly that attitude which has many of us paying upwards of $10,000 a year for a handful of hideous programing, the majority of which no one at all wants to watch. (Few programs, if any, have a greater than 50% Nielsen rating.) That same attitude is liable to see us paying twice that for seasons consisting of 5 episodes and 47 reruns per year, with no plot line and no action.

    We already have shows with no plot line and no action. No amount of content is worth $10,000 a year, and most certainly not the utter dog pookee on the Networks. You do not have enough money to pay me to watch it.
     
  3. IEBA

    IEBA Anthony

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    This isn't a discussion as to the merits or cost of OTA or cable TV.
    That goes over here:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=5

    Elsewhere I've had a recommendation I get the HD Plug-in for Toast so I can get my HD off the TiVo intact. Yes, TiVo Transfer (I'm on a Mac) isn't the best solution, but I can pull my movies off the TiVo and at the rate they're being recorded, they're deleted automatically in about 6 hours. I've deleted the "Transfer to Toast" for recompression till I can get to keep the quality of the .TiVo file.

    I wish it didn't take as long as real-time to get the movie off the TiVo. 5GB for an SD movie is pretty damm big if you ask me. Any way to get it to transfer faster?

    I recently altered my server to work as follows:
    TiVo transfer copies .tivo file to NAS/media/videos
    I rip my DVD's to MP4 in NAS/media/videos/mp4 folder.
    NAS is set to DLNA and my TiVo can see it and the files fine.
    (again the problem with the slow transfer over gigabit with a gigabit switch)
    pyTivo running on Mac Mini pointed to the NAS/media/videos/mp4 folder.
    Playback seems to work fine- haven't tested it all the way through a movie yet
    (files are smaller so there may be less of buffering need)

    Now I just need to find a way, on a Mac, to keep the HD .tivo-recorded content HD as I compress it to MP4.
     
  4. Phantom Gremlin

    Phantom Gremlin Active Member

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    When I go to that URL I see a screen with Household Temperatures and Air Handler Status. That's probably not "most" of the content of your server!
     
  5. lrhorer

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    Oops! I forgot to add the port. The HVAC controller for my house is on port 80 (the default). The video server is on port 8080.
     
  6. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    I recommend kmttg.

    There is no way any TiVo should be deleting any scheduled programs in 6 hours, especially if you are offloading to a server, unless you have gone berserk with KUID. In any case, however, a larger hard drive will drastically increase the hold time for videos on the TiVo.

    Not really. OTOH, the TiVo is able to transfer (either direction) SD video at much greater than real-time speeds. If you are unable to transfer SD video at real-time, then you have something wrong in your setup.

    Modify the TiVo. Using back-ported drivers and a Gig-E USB adapter, Jamie has reported upload speeds as high as 117 Mbps. Using stock drivers, I was regularly able to transfer at 45 - 50 Mbps over the Ethernet port, before I switched to kmttg. Since kmttg uses the standard https transfer protocol, it's much slower, but the convenience and capabilities of kmttg are worth it, IMO.

    Kmttg can run tivodecode to convert to flat MPEG2, and ffmpeg can convert to h.264 in a .mp4 container.
     
  7. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Looks to me like your figures are off by more than a factor of ten.

    Look at this web page:
    http://adage.com/article/mediaworks/tv-ad-revenue-decline-year/142244/#data
    Published Feb 2010 and with the following quote:
    Thats for the broadcast NETWORKS (ABC, NBC, etc.)

    Now look at this web page:
    http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/131209/
    published July 2010 and containing this quote:
    This pertains to LOCAL TV station ad revenus.

    Thus for national broadcast plus local station ad revenue total, we are at roughly $40 Billion, i.e., about 6% of your $700B figure.

    Not included in my cited figures are costs of TV ad preparation efforts that are paid directly by sponsors, e.g. to ad agencies, and administrative costs of sponsor's procurement of ads, e.g., dealing with the TV industry and ad agencies. However it is laughable to imagine those costs would bring the total anywhere near $700B.

    Another consideration is: if I stop watching broadcast and local TV, this money is going to be spent anyway -- I as an individual have no control over it. It is dictated by society's response to ads, which doesn't seem likely to change any time in the foreseeable future. So the marginal cost (that's an economics term) of OTA content to me is .... zero!
     
  8. Phantom Gremlin

    Phantom Gremlin Active Member

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    I'm glad you posted that.

    It's one thing to say, hypothetically, "I have a server that ... blah, blah, blah", and it's quite another, much better thing to show a real life example of what is possible.
     
  9. IEBA

    IEBA Anthony

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    That's what I'm talking about. Of course, I'm just starting, but that's my goal. Working just with OTA SD & HD (yea, slim movie pickings there).
    Standard Cable in SD (lots of movies with lots of commercials)
    And my existing DVD collection.

    Yea, well I just bought a new one to get my Pioneer TiVo back up and running (I like the built-in DVD burning capability). So buying another HDD is not really in the cards right now.

    I dunno. I'd have thought I'd have more space too, but there's a dozen or so TV shows, 3-5 more in HD, and the movies which are constantly recording new ones in line (both tuners going) so as new ones get recorded, the old ones get pushed off the plank. I have it recording "movies" as a category, so any time it's not recording my list of TV shows, it's recording a movie, or two, at the same time. Which means old movies get pushed off pretty quick. I don't know what KUID is.

    I'll have to look into Kmttg. It looks quite powerful!
     
  10. IEBA

    IEBA Anthony

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    I just counted content on my Tivo HD as counted by TiVo Transfer and it's about 68 GB of content. Is that about right? I don't know what the TiVo HD shipped with.

    5.0 GB for a 2-hour SD movie.
    6.5 GB for a 1-hr TV show OTA HD
    1.3 GB for a 1/2 hr kids show.
     
  11. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    Keep Until I Delete.

    The permanent save setting that TiVo won't let us set as the default.:(
     
  12. IEBA

    IEBA Anthony

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    No, I only have one TV episode with a KUID because I haven't seen it yet.
     

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