Hope for Positive TiVo Improvements?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by atmuscarella, Apr 14, 2011.

  1. mattack

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    Wow, from Texas, and you don't even know who W is?
     
  2. ShoutingMan

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    I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Four tuners, with current Tivos, requires two separate two-tuner Tivos, and they're not managed as a unified system.

    Presumably a future four-tuner Tivo would manage recording across all four tuners in a superior way to me having to manage manually recordings on two separate devices. (I'd be OK if Tivo created some sort of "hive mind" software solution, where multiple Tivos would communicate and sort out the programming. But they haven't. And I don't believe they will.)

    And even if a four-tuner device and an extender costs more than two two-tuner devices, I'd buy the four-tuner solution, since it would be superior.
     
  3. shwru980r

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    Extra tuners would get used during football season to record back to back games on the same channel without having to modify the padding every week.
     
  4. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    That's an ignorant position. Netflix has many automated ways to filter content. MOre ways than Tivo I believe.
     
  5. orangeboy

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    Netflix actually has less. Using TiVo Search, I can specify HD + Movies (+ genre) or HD + TV (+ genre) and find specific Netflix content. Go to the Netflix website, and all HD content is lumped together in it's own "genre". Netflix categorizes SD content quite well, but I personally prefer HD offerings.
     
  6. innocentfreak

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  7. MikeAndrews

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    TiVo could make the TiVo Premiere with a Multistream CableCARD work with 4 tuners by a software update. The M-card is supposedly designed to tune 6 streams simultaneously.

    We can also make the supposition that streaming can be done in software.

    What I ask for first is that merely using the S4TP as a two-tuner TiVo like an S3 not have it bog down and crash.
     
  8. slowbiscuit

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    Where in the world did you hear that? The tuners are in hardware, not software. Streaming yes, more tuners, no.
     
  9. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Meaning you don't need more m-cards just more physical tuners all using one m-card. To bad they can't make it modular like a PC with slots and then we can buy upgrades like tuners, ram, disk, ... and they can charge high margin for them. BUT NO!!!
     
  10. tivogurl

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    I was thinking along the same lines as you, so I did some investigation by browsing Microsoft media center forums. Microsoft media center seems to be as stagnant as TiVo is, and has some serious scheduling bugs that cause occasional missed recordings and require periodic cold reboots to temporarily fix. Serious bugs aren't getting fixed, new revisions aren't getting released, and the scuttlebutt is that Microsoft has unofficially abandoned the product, at least as far as DVR functionality is concerned. Check out some of the relevant forums and you'll see what I mean.
     
  11. ShoutingMan

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    Interesting. Talking with some Windows Media Center users in a different forum, they're quite enthusiastic about both the Win7 software and the new hardware (e.g. 4-tuner cards). They've not mentioned systematic bugs.

    Do you have any particular links you can share?
     
  12. slowbiscuit

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    Not only that, but 7MC's guide data is not as accurate as Tivo's. Repeats are often not flagged correctly and late lineup changes are often not picked up on 7MC where they are on Tivo. But hey, it's free.
     
  13. anotherlab

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    I would love to see a road map from TiVo for what would be coming next. Last month I switched from Time Warner Cable to FiOS TV and signed up for their multi-room DVR. With TWC, I had 2 Series 2 boxes and a TiVo HD. I canceled the contracts on the Series 2 since they wouldn't work well with FiOS and the FiOS DVR was cheaper.

    A week after getting FiOS TV, the drive in my HD fails. I get the endless green screen of death reboot cycle. Now I have a few choices. I can get either get a new drive or "upgrade" to the Premiere. From everything that I have read here, the Premiere sounds like an unfinished product. It's been out long enough that I wonder what is TiVo plan for that platform.

    The FiOS TV is good enough that I don't have the urgent need to replace the TiVO HD. There are things that I miss from the TiVo, but I have enough functionality with the FiOS DVR that I can wait and see what is going on. It does feel strange to not have a functioning TiVo in my house after 6 years. For the price that TiVo would charge for an upgrade to the unfinished Premiere, I can get a large, TiVo formatted drive from WeaKnees. In the meanwhile, I can save a few bucks by canceling the subscription on the HD and on the CableCARD that it was using.
     
  14. tivogurl

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    So you post one link from the RTM edition back in 2009 and another one from over a year ago?

    Based off that TiVo has the same problems based off some of the threads in Season Pass Alerts and Now Playing.
     
  16. tivogurl

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    I'm fairly certain the bugs in question haven't been fixed, that's why I've seen comments on those boards to the effect that Media Center's DVR functionality is abandonware.

    To be fair, TiVo hasn't been fixing those kinds of bugs either, a fact somewhat overshadowed by their inability to fix their HD UI. The difference is that TiVo's scheduler has fewer bugs and doesn't require daily handholding, as some posters say their 7MC setups do.
     
  17. Hogues92

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    I've been using WMC for years now and have never missed a show. I've also been on all the major (and minor) WMC forums and those few and somewhat dated links that you posted are pretty rare.

    There are people with WMC who have problems and, like most of these forums, they post to get help. Seriously, look at these forums. If I went to TGB or AVS and posted a few links about the Premiere, I could conclude that Tivo is the worst product on the market, when we all know it works damn well. People tent to post problems rather than praise.

    Now, as to WMC being "abandonware" (great word!), that is a huge worry. I think that we have to wait to see what happens when W8 alpha is released. But, frankly, I worry that all non-cable co. DVR software (including Tivo) is headed in that direction. That being said, I couldn't be happier with my W7/Ceton setup.
     
  18. lrhorer

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    Yes, but putting them into a single unit does not make them more attractive, to me. Quite the opposite. Allowing them both to be managed from a single location would.

    ...And when the TA on that machine has a heart siezure, which they do frequenty, what happens? You lose all the recordings. At least with 3 sets of independent tuners, I only lose potentially something like 1/3 of them. Indeed, when a recording is particularly important to me, as is rarely but occasionally the case, I record it on two different machines to make sure I get it.

    What happens when the hard drive on the unit dies?

    At this point it seems unlikely, it's true. I suspect there may be patent issues preventing them from implementing the protocols.

    But it's not a superior solution. In several very important ways, including price, it is inferior, even unacceptably so. I'll take reliability and flexibility over convenience a million ways from Sunday.
     
  19. lrhorer

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    Since I have never in my adult life watched a football game, this is entirely moot for me. It certainly doesn't prevent one from dedicating a 3rd tuner on a 2nd TiVo to such a use, however.
     
  20. lrhorer

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    Do you have a Tuning Adapter?
     

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