Hope for Positive TiVo Improvements?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by atmuscarella, Apr 14, 2011.

  1. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    My first line was meant as a joke no one has ever needed a TiVo or even TV for that matter - none of this is a necessity it all optional.

    Why? From what I see there is more of a chance that people will dump cable and go to OTA with a good DVR and add Internet streaming instead of dumping their DVR and adding streaming. I time shift 100% of my viewing so to get rid of my DVR means streaming everything not likely to happen anytime soon.

    Really? I think not. Quality over the Internet is still very low and bandwidth is going to become more of an issue. If you don't care about quality that is your business but don't assume most people with 50+ inch set bought them to view low quality HD.

    The exception is to find someone who has replace a DVR with streaming only and is happy paying more and watching lower quality HD.

    Maybe someday for those lucky enough to live in the right place but I listed all the reason why it isn't going main stream anytime soon.
     
  2. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Yep. As long as OTA is viable. This is one of the exceptions I wasn't addressing. Off topic, but I don't think the model is OTA viable if everyone is skipping commercials with their DVRs.


    Yes that is a different issue. I'm not talking about cord cutting.

    I'm talking about the day when I can get everything on-demand via streaming at an equivalent or good enough quality whether from the cable company or from another company via the internet.
     
  3. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    I'm not excluding the cable company because they have an on-demand model in place right now. You can watch alot of content on-demand via the cable company without a DVR. They also happen to have large selections of their content available via internet streaming.

    DVR OTA is great, but not going to exist in the long run. How can it? HOw can it become the mainstream way of watching tv if everyone is skipping commercials and the shows are supposed to be funded by commercials?

    It will only stay that way if it is subsidized in some form or another. LIke if most shows are watched live by most people. That won't be me, but I know how some are and maybe most folks that watch these shows have to watch it as early as possible in order to "not be left behind" at the water cooler.


    That is already falling apart. Comcast just announced 105 mbps internet in every service area. Cost is high now I'm sure, but 105 mbps is way more than even enough bandwidth for a few high quality HD streams. I get 15 mbps today as it is. I can stream a good quality HD stream to my home. This will come relatively quick.

    The market won't take off at the top end either. IT will take off in the middle because folks will take the middle (in terms of picture quality) and convenience over the highest end. Eventually of course bandwidth takes care of everything.


    Nah you are just looking at today and the last 5 years. I'm looking at today and the next 5.

    I'm not sure what you're arguing. That folks want to pay for DVRs and have to program wishlists and season passes etc instead of just typing in a show they want to watch and watching it? That folks want to pay for these machines and the fees associated with them instead of having an easy Netflix-like service?

    You gotta be kidding me if this what you think.

    No the only question is when. And right now we are the cusp of the when.

    To drive it back on topic - How can there be any future positive developments for Tivo when the future is a Tivo-less future?
     
  4. mattack

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    But it would require a hard drive (or maybe 30 minutes worth of flash if they didn't allow record).. Plus the rental of another cablecard/extra digital drop fee.

    That seems very expensive for a "once in a while thing".

    The extender idea (even if, which I hope there is not, there is a VERY small monthly fee) makes perfect sense to me... The cable card IN an extender that's NOT a DVR all by itself is what seems strange.
     
  5. innocentfreak

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    It doesn't seem that strange to me. It merely offers the option of an additional tuner for that room. If you never watch live TV, then you wouldn't need the CableCARD. You would be free to just stream recorded content from other rooms.

    For example I have a friend staying with me and I record more than enough shows for both of us and we have similar tastes. He could easily go out and buy an extender to connect to my current setup. This would allow him to watch any of my shows. Otherwise I either need to move a TiVo in his room, or he buys a TiVo on my account and then transfers it to his own account when he leaves.
     
  6. socrplyr

    socrplyr Active Member

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    Not strange at all seeing has how it is most likely born out of a STB for MSOs...
     
  7. tomhorsley

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    Of course the idea thing would be for them to offer existing customers a cheap upgrade to the new system, as well as a firmware download for their old unit that turns it into an extender box :).
     
  8. rayik

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    Actually, I've found streaming quality to be very, very good. We have a 47" TV and use a Roku. The HD offered by Netflix and Hulu Plus is the equivalent of the HD that we recieved from DirecTV. There are other channels on the Roku that offer very good quality HD. I had not been expecting that when I first started to explore internet streaming as an alternative to D* or cable.

    As for metered bandwidth, in our first full month of cord cutting (OTA and internet streaming) we used 37GB. That is far below the 250GB cap that our ISP imposes. (We really only watch TV at night.)
     
  9. ShoutingMan

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    I don't follow: the master device has a four-tuner system. The extenders would need perhaps a small amount of memory, and would stream live or pre-recorded media form the master. This can be done with a Windows PC (master) and Xbox (extender).

    If this has not been a problem for you, then you don't have the nuisance of managing multiple Tivos to record three or more shows that are on a the same time. This is a seasonal issue, needing to program two Tivos to record the various shows, and then decide whether to watch in the room they were recorded in, or transfer to a different Tivo to watch.

    A centralized tuner box that streams to one or more satellite units would be a better solution; it would be more Tivo like that Tivo is now. If my wife heard there was a four-tuner Tivo with extenders, we'd probably buy them immediately.
     
  10. JimboG

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    That sounds like an awfully fast way to reach that 250 GB per month cap.:mad:
     
  11. MrSkippy53

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    Wonder if they give u a larger cap. After all the service is like $199 per mo or like $119 if part of a bundle...
     
  12. mattack

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    You have to pay per cablecard, and possibly even extra 'digital outlet fees', beyond the cablecard cost itself.
     
  13. ShoutingMan

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    So? That's true if you have multiple Tivos. And a non-issue if you use only over-the-air HD, like I do. Four tuners is four tuners, and all the better if they're all managed collectively than split across multiple devices.


    An interesting rant on last week's "Hypercritical" episode (from 5by5.tv). John Siracusa rants that Tivo's survey is pointless and a bad sign: of course people want more tuners and new functionality and so on. But they're missing crucial things, like making the Tivo faster, or at least the same, and certainly not getting than slower with every iteration as it does now.
     
  14. lrhorer

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    That statemewnt is not internally consistent. Managing four tuners collectively does not imply they are not split across multiple devices. Managing all the tuners from a single UI vector is nice. I unequivocally do not prefer they reside in one device.

    I don't. Emphatically, if a 4 tuner box costs more than $25 more than a 2 Tuner box, I'll take the 2 Tuner box - which is what I have. Implementing a 4 tuner box would make me LESS LIKELY to buy the next genration TiVo.
     
  15. bmgoodman

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    An interesting position, at least to me. With per-device subscription prices, I'd certainly be all over a 4-tuner model. BUT, they have to prove to me now that they can *finish* such a product. I will *NOT EVER AGAIN* buy a Tivo that's not finished.

    In the immortal words of W., "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me--you can't get fooled again." :D
     
  16. innocentfreak

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    Why?

    Even if you only record at most 2 shows at the same time, it frees up 2 tuners for suggestions which based on your other posts would be a good thing for you. On top of that it also allows you more freedom in padding shows since you will always have extra tuners free.
     
  17. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Add possibly PIP which they thought about but never did.
     
  18. lrhorer

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    I don't know, some people act as if they are more addicted to it than a Heroin addict.

    I agree with just about everything you say. More and more ISPs are implementing caps or threateing it. My ISP has a quiet one. My brother's ISP has a ridiculous 250M a month limit.

    My service peaks at about 6 Mbps. I could pay extra to get 10.

    There is something more, and much more important, though. If I have said it once, I have said it a dozen times. The TiVo's most important feature is its ability to act as an automated filter to eliminate garbage. On the CATV feeds there are tens of thousands of programs a week, but most are drek. The TiVo offers a highly configurable, highly automated means of eliminating almost all the drek and presenting the user with a much shorter, but still very long list of items available for viewing, almost all of which the user would like to watch at one time or another. I've looked at NetFlix and at Amazon, and not only do both suffer from significant technical limitations, but both offer the same hideously tedious prospect presented to the shopper at Target who might consider digging through the massive pile of unsorted DVDs in the bargain video basket.
     
  19. lrhorer

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    Are you joking? 'Becasue it costs extra money to obtain something I don't care to have. The extra tuners are worth virtualy nothing to me.

    It's fairly unusual to have both tuners active on more than 1 TiVo. It's not worth an extra $75 to me to be able to have 12 tuners active. If a few of the Suggestions that would be recorded if I had more tuners do not get recorded, I'll live.

    Since they are always available, they are never used, and as such have no value.
     
  20. lrhorer

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    There are a lot more considerations than just having the ability to record more shows or being able to control all the recordings from a central location.

    Huh? Who is "W", and what the heck is that supposed to mean?
     

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