Homeland "The Star" 12/15/2013 Season Three Finale

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  1. erk48188

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    station chief? really? i know it's just a tv show but come on how stupid do the writers think we are?
     
  2. DeDondeEs

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    Personally I rather would have seen the series just wrap up. They could have really closed everything up neatly with this episode. Brody is dead, Saul retired with a delayed win, and Carrie could have just retired or changed careers to focus on being a mother, or she could have been shot in Iran trying to save Brody.

    When the show continues does that mean half of the cast is being let go, mainly Brody's family and friend? The only way I could see them sticking around is if Dana goes rogue and starts planning attacks or something.
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    I wonder if the scene with Mr & Mrs Saul at the villa was shot later? Because when they talked about Saul's victory in the rest of the episode, it seemed vague (probably just referring to getting their man in place), but in that scene it was very specifically tied to the recent deal with Iran, which had to have happened long after they wrapped for the season...and which no one really saw coming.
     
  4. markymark_ctown

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    I'd say the first 4 episodes sucked, but the last 8 were pretty darn good. the turn started when Saul/Carrie "outed" their plan to the audience. The finale was a bit of a letdown since there was little change that Brodie would escape Iran unharmed, and there was little use for his character for a Season 4.
     
  5. markymark_ctown

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    I didn't see it being tied with real world events. Just a moment to show that Saul's long term play strategy was successful.
     
  6. Jonathan_S

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    Depends on whether you're trying to be merciful or not. He's dead either way, but the slow lift like they did here is a much longer more painful death as you asphyxiate while still conscious.

    The Iranians probably did the slow death by hanging deliberately.
    (Plus it's probably easier for the show to do safely without dummies or CGI :D)
     
  7. astrohip

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    This is a thread for a specific episode, clearly titled in the subject line. Any post is likely to have spoilers. Heck, EVERY post is likely to have spoilers. As far as the Forum rules:

    Apology accepted.


    As has been noted, Homeland has been renewed for a 4th season. I look at this as a reboot. The showrunners & writers have a chance to start with a mostly clean slate. I look forward to seeing where the next season takes us.

    See my reply above. This show has been incredible at times, and frustrating at others. But it's still one of the best dramas on TV. I will, without hesitation, give it a chance next year.

    I read an interview (a year or so ago) with Howard Gordon and Alex Gansa (showrunners) in which they talked about their writing process. They said they spend all their creative juices writing for the current year. They don't really worry about "next year" until next year. IOW, they don't have a seven year arc already written in their minds. They want to create the best season they can, and if they should be blessed with another year, then face it in another year.

    So they have a few months to decide where they want Homeland to go.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

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    But in the villa scene, they specifically mentioned the Iran nuclear deal, and tied it to Saul's actions.

    The rest of the episode, I agree with you. It was just vague talk about Saul's victory. That's why I think the villa scene was added recently.
     
  9. markymark_ctown

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    Yes, I see what your saying, but the US/Isreali demands on Iran's nuclear program have been on the table for a while. I would think it is just coincidence.
     
  10. Rob Helmerichs

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    I don't know, there was just that one scene, which takes place (for no apparent reason) in another location, in which the deal is very specifically mentioned...and nowhere else in the episode.

    I really think they did a "topical reshoot" to add the mention of the deal. Otherwise, why go to the expense and hassle of setting up another location for just one scene that does not otherwise tie into the rest of the episode?

    And while there have been demands on the table, that's been the case for years, with no hint that a deal would ever happen. That's why the hawks were so outraged at the announcement...they (along with everybody else) assumed that the only reasonable options were nothing happening or military strikes.
     
  11. MikeAndrews

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    C'Mon! Why not? Lockwood knows that Carrie is only bi-polar, unpredictable, almost always refuses direct orders, allows her judgement to be clouded, is carrying the out-of-wedlock baby of her target, and just added her own star to the wall and is unquestionably loyal his predecessor. :rolleyes:

    "Carrie, you know why Saul had to go.." Why? Because he engineered world peace without using a drone? (Because Mandy Patinkin never stays with a series this long.)

    Hey, Carrie, way to be undercover, climb the fence and nobody in the crowd is going to notice that an American woman is flipping out.

    Brody should have had a chance to talk to an Iman and scream out one last "Allah Akbar!"
     
  12. MikeAndrews

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    They must have jumped right on the added scene, because Mandy was revelling that now that the season of Homeland was over he finally could shave the beard...and not be recognized so quickly.



    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2013/12/05/mandy-patinkin-shaves-off-saul-beard/3877679/
     
  13. MikeAndrews

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    Mo Ryan hits right on a lot of the points:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/homeland-season-finale_b_4451104.html

    No to mention that everything - EVERYTHING that happened, happened in 4 MONTHS - between Carrie and Nick at the cabin making the baby to the very end where Carrie is 4 Months pregnant.

    In 4 MONTHS: the suicide vest; the VP is killed; track and kill Abu Nazzir; the Langley bombing; Brody's long trip around the world to hell in Caracas; Carrie gets locked up and doped up in the mental ward; She gets sprung; they lure, turn, and send back Javardi, Brody's Heroin addiction, recovery, retraining, insertion to Iran, the end.

    That hospital must have a hella of compressed rehab program. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Azlen

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    I thought she would be in much more trouble for being a white woman there and shouting Brody's name. The crowd seemed to ignore her for the most part though. Don't know how realistic that would be.
     
  15. gchance

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    Poor Brody, who didn't want her there in the first place, not only has to go through being hoisted 50 feet into the air by his neck, but has to deal with a woman climbing a fence to shout his name.

    Greg
     
  16. john4200

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    Let that be a lesson for him (a lifelong lesson). If you don't want a crazy woman climbing a fence and shouting your name while you asphyxiate on the end of a rope hanging from a crane in Iran, then don't sleep with crazy women! :cool:
     
  17. Hank

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    That can't be right. The four months started when Carrie dropped Brody off at the Canadian border (and I'm assuming they "did it").
     
  18. Fahtrim

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    she told him she was 4 months pregnant from their time together at the lake
     
  19. Rob Helmerichs

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  20. Hank

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    There are a lot of lakes on the way to Canada. So Brody was a congressman for what, 4 days? Dana was in rehab for 14 minutes? It just doesn't add up, sorry.
     

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