Homeland - Season 8 (Final Season) *spoilers*

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  1. MacThor

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    I think this is the most likely case; however, taking out Jalal solves a big problem for Tasneem, too. She legitimately may not know where he is - they did blindfold her before transporting her to the last meeting.

    As others have said, they have a LOT of threads to close in a one hour series finale.

    It's just that back-channel talks and a surgical strike on Jalal were exactly what Saul recommended in the Oval Office, and that's exactly what they got (even if the strike was on a fake target). But Zable is all smug "I was right, you were wrong." He thinks moving more troops to the border and the threat of an invasion are what convinced Islamabad to cough up Jalal. So now that we took out Jalal (at least Hayes and Zabel think so) why haven't the tensions been defused? We can handle a little censure from the UN.

    It's too bad Kuznetsov's English was so good that he said "I should call him" instead of "I better call Saul."

    The title of the finale is "Prisoners of War" which is the name of the Israeli TV series that Homeland is based on. Nice touch.
     
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  2. MacThor

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    I think the same sequence of events that played out on the Carrie-Yevgeny video call played out in Saul's mind. He knows that Gromov knows he'll never give up his asset to Carrie, unless it's part of his legacy plan. He doesn't think Carrie even knows about the English Teacher at this point.

    Now, one could argue that Saul's legacy plan is pretty stupid if it's Carrie, who isn't even employed by the CIA.
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    Then again, it's an asset who isn't known to the CIA...
     
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  4. MacThor

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    I think "You guys.....It's HOMELAND" applies at this point. :)

    When Carrie pushed about his secret asset, she said "there have been rumors for years." She never mentioned Gromov.
    When Saul saw the note about Gromov's play, he put two and two together.
    The price is the English Teacher....or him.
     
  5. Hank

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    Maybe Carrie and Saul together will find a way to divulge the asset to Gromov in order to get the flight recorder, but in just enough time to capture and hide the asset from the Russians. Gromov didn't say turn them over, just identify who it is. But either way, the asset is burned, but hopefully will stay alive.
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    That's why it drives me crazy that at no point in this whole process did she do the obvious thing, and bring the problem to Saul.
     
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  7. Hank

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    Totally agree!! The entire time last week and this week -- NOBODY TELLS SAUL of the deal offer.
     
  8. MacThor

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    Well, to be fair, last week Carrie only had one brief conversation with Saul, immediately after her meet with Gromov. During that meet, they both were very clear that there was no way Saul would burn the asset - it's his one commandment. Gromov: "I know that......You're going to have to find him yourself."
    Which is why the Russians didn't make the offer directly to Saul. "For him, there is no price."

    Sure, she could have told him right away, but she knew her odds of finding the asset by betraying Saul were a lot higher than just asking Saul to break his one commandment.

    Why not lie and just name someone in the Kremlin that causes them problems? Or that Russian spy chief who got killed in a prior season in the United States (Krupin)? As long as no big secrets have leaked to Saul in the past couple of years he's a viable, and dead (by the hands of the Russians Gromov himself!), scapegoat.
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

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    Or why not just tell Saul what's happening, and work something out with him (who has vastly more experience and connections than she does)?

    But in Carrie-world, only Carrie can save the day.
     
  10. Jeff_in_Bklyn

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    No way is Gromov in Moscow.

    I have a feeling Carrie is going to be visiting Elizabeth and Phillip. And Gromov is going to take her there.
     
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    Wow - I can't believe they opted for Global Thermonuclear War. Dr. Falken would be proud.
    Carrie stuck in a bunker with Zabel and Yevgeny.....awkward!


    j/k - No early access for streamers this week. :)
     
  12. markymark_ctown

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    I was just sitting down to watch the finale on the showtime app and noticed today’s E12 was not there. They are gonna make me wait until 9pm ET? :)
     
  13. Tony_T

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    Different opening!
     
  14. series5orpremier

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    Not a believable ending (that Gromov & the Russians would trust her enough for that to happen), but another unrealistic thing is par for the course in the Homeland universe.
     
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  15. Tony_T

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    At least it was “2 years later”
     
  16. NorthAlabama

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    a stretch, but not that far from reality, since carrie brought down an asset in the russian government - she'd likely be celebrated as a hero, and able to live a life of luxury.
     
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  17. zalusky

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    They gave the impression that she became a sort of Snowden sort of person. Remember how much she knows about the CIA. So that is her cover. They never said she was working directly for the GRU.
    They certainly set it up that if they wanted to end it like this they could, or they could easily do a movie, or continue on.

    At least it did not end with the typical hollywood shoot out or tragic death. It was more of life continues on. I was waiting for Saul to say turn the truck around.
     
  18. efilippi

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    I thought it a quite satisfactory ending, averted the crisis, sacrificed a faithful servant but replaced with what appears to be a satisfied Carrie in her new life. And Saul survived.

    I'm happy.
     
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  19. frombhto323

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    Nice touch having Kamasi Washington featured in the closing scenes. Overall, a solid last season.
     
  20. efilippi

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    I had to google to understand who Kamasi Washington was. I don't see how that extended scene helped the story at all. But I'm not a jazz fan.
     
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