Homeland S02E04

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  1. MikeAndrews

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    If you want some fun - I spotted a pretty bad goof on the first viewing!

    When they show Carrie pacing the lobby at Langley minutes before Brody will arrive in a cab, look at the far window just right of center screen. There's a reflection of a reflection of a guy standing there in suit and blue shirt carrying a bag. It's Damien Lewis.

    I froze it and thought if he shows up in that outfit carrying bag, it was him. He gets out of the taxicab wearing that suit and he's carrying a briefcase.

    They must have choose a later take in editing, where he would start walking to the door. If not, you'd think he would be sitting further off set for that scene.
     
  2. MikeAndrews

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    We agree on how it will go. Is Brody really back in the fold or is he a triple agent?

    Since the VP and the CIA can't let it get out that he was an unrecognized threat, there wil also be a thread if he's at risk to be set up to be killed - or maybe he volunteers to go down to save his rep and family.

    Think how we know and they will know that Brody has killed 3 men, the CIA captive, Tom Walker and the tailor.
     
  3. john4200

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    I think you are counting wrong. If Brody never turned at all, he would be an (single) agent working for the best interests of the US. Once Brody got turned by Nazir, he became a double agent. If Brody is persuaded to work against Nazir (while still pretending to Nazir that he is loyal to Nazir), then he is a triple agent. However, if Brody only pretends to be trying to help the CIA get Nazir while truly still being loyal to Nazir, then he would be a quadruple agent.

    So the question is, would Brody be a triple- or quadruple-agent?
     
  4. Rob Helmerichs

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    Or you could say he's a single agent if he's working for one side, and a double agent if he's working for both. So we know he's a double agent...the question is can we force his primary loyalty back to our side?
     
  5. john4200

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    I don't think that is what they are asking. I think tiassa and netringer are assuming that the show will have Brody appear to be turned back to the US (making him a triple-agent) but the suspense will come from whether Brody has truly switched loyalties a second time and is loyal to the US, or whether he would in fact be a quadruple-agent loyal to Nazir.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_HUMINT#Triple_agent
     
  6. aadam101

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    Absolutely the best hour on TV right now. I can't wait for next Sunday!

    I thought all week about how they were going to deal with the CIA knowing about Brody and I never considered they would take him in so soon. Total surprise there.

    I don't mind the teen story line. I like that they are actually using teens instead of 20 somethings like most shows.
     
  7. MikeAndrews

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    If Brody breaks - or not - he also gave the list of vulnerable targets to Nazzir, so the US would know what list Nazzir is working from to plan the pending attack.

    That means that Brody is also guilty of espionage, if treason and murder weren't enough to get him the needle.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

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    I'm just saying that triple-agents and quadruple-agents are really just double-agents whose loyalty leans one way or the other. And the suspense comes from which way he will ultimately lean.
     
  9. TheMerk

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    If his wife divorces him he'll be a free agent.
     
  10. brebeans

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    Agree.....either you're working for one side or two....
    Your allegiances are to 3 or 4 different sides.
     
  11. DevdogAZ

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    Agreed. I'd think that the terms "triple agent" and "quadruple agent" would have to involve supposed loyalties to third and fourth parties.
     
  12. Bob Coxner

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    The CIA can place bugs in the halls of Congress? That will go over well in the next appropriations hearing.

    Also, they were wondering what Brody and the Middle Eastern reporter were talking about. No lip readers in the CIA?
     
  13. Hank

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    Maybe they wanted to sweep together?
     
  14. DevdogAZ

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    I don't think any of the camera angles they had of Brody talking to Roya showed their faces very well.
     
  15. Rob Helmerichs

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    I do find it a bit odd that the CIA doesn't find it a bit odd that a minor, specialty blogger has that kind of access to a US Congressman...
     
  16. billypritchard

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    I think they indicated it was very difficult to get audio in the halls of Congress, which is why they didn't hear his conversation. Also the angle they had was bad or else they would have seen Brody making some serious grimaces.

    The Racial Profiling didn't work though, because they profiled for Arab MEN. Totally overlooked the reporter.

    Definitely a debate about Brody really 'making' Carrie, but I think he did. One thing that was established last year was this intense connection that they had. He read her like a book, which is why using Carrie was a dumb idea in the first place.
     
  17. MikeAndrews

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    Doh, again. There are no accidents. The editor would have seen that reflection.

    Watch them say in an artistic decision they had Brody standing there to show that Carrie was thinking about him. Like we wouldn't know.
     
  18. MikeAndrews

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    The EXECUTIVE BRANCH (DoD?) agency bugging the Congressional Office Building? Again, the CIA working inside the US? How about grounds for impeachment?

    They coud sell it as this is US Congressman who was captive in the Middle East for years, like she wanted his perpective on extremists and Islamic culture.

    Nah. They had her as one of the 3-4 suspects for the contact, along with the cab driver and the car wash guy. BTW, when they interview him he'll say that Brody wanted to get rid of the smoke smell!

    What is fantastic is that they can "tie into the hotel's cameras" and get audio. We're used to that thanks to Ocean's 11 and Person of Interest and Leverage but it ain't so easy. Most CCTV cameras don't have microphones.

    Being that Carrie has never been wrong, we can buy that she picked up on losing him. She said she went off her game when he asked her about the ECT sessions. She also might have decided to pull him down immediately. Remember, "I LOVED YOU!"

    How izzit that the CIA had the takedown team ready when it was supposed to be a simple drink with the target? I guess we buy that they were outside in the van just in case? Too, there could have been plenty of witnesses that a congressman was here and they took him away in a hood. Where was the bartender?

    Another: If the CIA was really closing in on the tailor and followed the car with their van, how dumb would they be not to figure out that it was Brody's car?
     
  19. TAsunder

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    What audio? They had Carrie wired. I don't remember them having audio otherwise.

    Do we actually know that's what was happening there?
     
  20. Hank

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    I think that was just Brody being paranoid. No truck was following them.
     

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