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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by tiams, Nov 14, 2011.
HFC this is getting good.
I definitely did not see the Walker twist coming. I kept listening to Saul in the car on the way back, imagining him talking to Elaine as if they were both in on it, and waiting for my theory to crumble.
Killer stuff, on the one hand. On the other hand, I'm having a hard time imagining why they would go through this much effort with the other POW. With Brody it would make sense - he'd be hailed as a hero and maybe seek political office. No one would suspect anything and he's be able to do whatever he wanted. With Walker they would basically have to do all of the same things they'd do for a regular member of Al Qaeda... fake documents, smuggling him into the country, flying under the radar, etc. The only difference being the color of his skin I guess.
I hope that this isn't a situation where the writers didn't have this planned out in advance. It doesn't seem that way based on how well they have avoided self-contradiction but there's still a nagging fear in the back of my head.
Despite these worries, this was a fantastic episode with tons of character and plot development and tons of suspense and surprise.
Clair Danes is incredible. The last two roles I've seen her in have been knock-it-out-of-the-park scary good. Strangely, they're both playing damaged women--Temple Grandin & Carrie Mathison.
I no longer see her, I see her characters. The sign of a great actress (or maybe, just really good casting).
It was interesting that, in this episode, we saw Saul on a roadtrip with Aileen, trying to extract info, while at the same time we also saw Carrie on a roadtrip with Brody, trying to extract info.
Note that the ever-chivalrous Sgt. Brody left Carrie bawling and alone in a cabin in the woods OFF OF HER MEDICINE WITH A LOADED GUN. If Carrie can't make a call to her sister to take her up on a rescue we'll have no Carrie. Dun-Duhn-duhhhn and now her cell phone battery dies and she didn't bring the charger. Can you say "Pine Barrens?"
I'll cut Brody slack because he was shocked and p*d.
If we were supposed to be on the edge of our seats when Brody had the gun "on" Carrie - I wasn't. Dunno why.
Sgt. Brody was Walker the sniper's spotter. Can we predict the climatic scene where Brody arrives and gets Walker to stand down?
It's not like Walker is going back to the house that's been blown, either.
How did they make Brody believe he killed and buried Walker? I guess they could have pulled him out of the "grave," or just with some brain washing under stress made him believe it happened - sorta like a false confession.
I think in the preview we saw the very-white terrorist string puller handing Walker the address.
You're going to catch hell for not using spoiler tags on that last line.
I'm not convinced that Brody is innocent. Walker and Brody may both be turned. That Brody can beat a polygraph, and that he lies about being faithful when he had little reason to, looks awfully suspicious. And if Brody did not slip the razor blade, who did?
As for Brody getting Walker to stand down. If Brody is NOT in on it, then he beat Walker almost to death. I would imagine that was the final straw in turning Walker ("your best friend and brother soldier just beat you, he was trying to kill you, he does not deserve your loyalty, let us help you..."). So Walker is not likely to look kindly on Brody.
I cannot make sense of it either, unless both Walker and Brody were turned.
I suppose you could say that the terrorists tried to turn both of them, but they failed on Brody. But if they did turn Walker (and not Brody), then why didn't they let Walker be "saved" and return as a hero? So I guess I am back to my first explanation.
I don't follow. Would you elaborate?
Based on what you said (successfully turning Walker but not Brody), perhaps they would decide to release Brody to keep eyes away from Walker. Let Brody take the spotlight while the successfully turned prisoner succeeds in the terrorist plot.
Not saying that is what I think is happening, just providing an answer to the scenario.
Well, that was unexpected. Carrie is so far into the weeds on this one, she's gonna need a compass, a GPS and a dog sled team to find her way back.
I think that Brody is deep, deep, DEEP under cover. While Walker may be meant for more immediate action, Brody is probably set for a more prolonged path of infiltrating the infidels.
But why? How does the return of Brody help Walker to accomplish his nefarious mission? Walker still needs a false identity and to sneak into the US. Brody's rescue is hardly going to make border crashing any easier for Walker. And even without Brody's word that Walker is dead, it is not like there would be heightened surveillance in the US for Walker. They might still be looking for him in Iraq, but that would not hinder Walker's mission.
Here's a scenario that makes more sense to me (I just thought of it).
The terrorists are not as brilliant as Carrie thinks. The terrorists planned to keep Brody until they could turn him, or kill him. But Walker was turned and ready to go to the US. In the process of preparing Walker for his mission, the prison location was accidentally leaked. Walker was already en route to the US when the rescue mission arrived, but Brody was rescued (against the terrorists will).
But I still think that Brody looks guilty. Beating a polygraph is tough. It is extremely unlikely that he just picked up the skill the way he claimed. And somebody had to slip that razor blade to the prisoner.
Except she wasn't bawling and he doesn't know she's insane.
All he knows is he's leaving a CIA agent who has been spying on him and who spent a sexual weekend with him despite believing he's an Al Qaeda terrorist. I'm guessing concern for her emotional state isn't going to be his top priority as he pulls out of the driveway.
Not a good time to be Carrie, however. If she's bi-polar, alone in the woods with booze, a loaded gun, and swinging from the up part of the cycle to the down while suffering an emotional trauma is not the best moment to be slipping off your meds.
Pretty fantastic episode.
I thought she was doing some excellent undercover work, at least until she made the stupid comment about the tea. And she even managed to salvage that somewhat, getting Brody to admit to killing Walker and lying about seeing the terrorist leader. I think, as Carrie said, parts of the weekend were real to her, but even so, she never lost sight of her objective. Good spy work, I think. Of course, she is in bad shape at the end of the episode, being off her meds.
Well, after the bombmaker told Carrie that an American POW had been turned, they could assume the CIA would be looking for a repatriated American POW but not two.
How would the terrorists know that Carrie was told that?