Homeland 406 - “From A to B & Back Again” (11/02/14)

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  1. Nov 3, 2014 #1 of 32
    getreal

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    Boom! :eek:

    I thought poor Saul was going down in this episode as well, but Quinn is taking charge from behind Carrie's authority. She takes her meds but no longer values the lives of people who are actually close to her (e.g., baby Brody jr. & Saul).

    This moment may become a wake up call to her psyche, but I am not sure at this point.

    Others may complain about predictable tropes, but I'm enjoying the ride.
     
  2. Nov 3, 2014 #2 of 32
    teknikel

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    I think Carrie is looking pretty incompetent at this point. Like you said, the drugs are the culprit. And the ISI will use it against her as well.

    Much like last week, I was pretty sure that Taliban guy knew what was up when Aayan called. Poor Aayan. The boy never had a chance.

    Dennis Boyd (ambassador's hubby) is a real piece of...work. But he got himself into his own...mess. But he seems to be actually enjoying himself at this point. Is he getting back at his wife for what he overheard or is he trying to get her back?
     
  3. Nov 3, 2014 #3 of 32
    erk48188

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    thank god for no more travelogues of aayun playing in the water. but i expect to see crazy carrie ramping up...at which point i'll be ramping down my viewing.
     
  4. Nov 3, 2014 #4 of 32
    TAsunder

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    Bombing was the logical play here. Either they kill Saul or use him against them in some fashion.
     
  5. Nov 3, 2014 #5 of 32
    MikeAndrews

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    Remember that when Boyd tipped the ISI chick about the CIA and Aayan she bolted and said she had to make a call. Suppose the ISI tipped Uncle and got Aayan killed - just like when the ISI knew that Saul had the killer and the Taliban abducts him with ISI help.

    The big rhubarb is going to be when the US asks Pakistan why not only is the ISI is helping the Taliban, they killed the station chief.

    I wasn't taken in by the raid on the apartment at all. I knew it was Carrie's guys.

    Don' cha think that the Air Force drone weapons officer has strict orders and protocol on who makes the kill order? There's no way he would have listened to Quinn.
     
  6. Nov 3, 2014 #6 of 32
    getreal

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    Does anyone think that Saul would have made the call to bomb them with Carrie as a hostage?
     
  7. Nov 3, 2014 #7 of 32
    getreal

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    I think that is precisely what transpired.

    She had me fooled. I was impressed when it was revealed to be her own guys.
     
  8. Nov 3, 2014 #8 of 32
    john4200

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    I disliked the contrived way they made him instantly morph into a superspy, just so the plot of this episode could work with Carrie's operation going fubar. He was a pathetic incompetent who could not even plagiarize a scientific paper without getting caught, and suddenly he is a superspy outwitting highly-trained and experienced CIA agents.
     
  9. Nov 3, 2014 #9 of 32
    MikeAndrews

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    Not only, but he didn't have any further obligation to ISI after he did what they wanted. What did he expect from them for the new intelligence? Oh yeah. Suddenly he wants to get his beeatchy wife.

    How about Quinn not being suspicious about writer's cliche #323 "I'll leave this on his desk. I need to write a note." Called out of the office. "NOTE'S DONE!"

    Michael Westin: "When you're a spy you should never leave anybody in a office unescorted."
     
  10. ej42137

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    A US military officer is legally and morally bound to refuse to obey an illegal order; intentionally killing a US citizen would qualify as such.

    It's a pretty dilemma; looking at it coldly, Carrie's intent was probably the right thing to do. We saw how this guy treated his nephew, how is he going to treat Saul, one of his worst enemies? But Carrie demonstrates the morals of a sociopath to actually sacrifice Saul to kill the terrorists. I'm liking this season very much.
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

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    ??? They were blackmailing him. Why would they ever stop?
     
  12. stellie93

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    It's a TV show, so Saul will escape eventually. But in real life he's dead anyway, and it's best to kill him before he can reveal any valuable info to them.
     
  13. Hank

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    Agreed. It was pretty clear that the message went right from her to the Taliban. She knew they had Saul - the ISI in on that, just having discussed his itinerary and movements.

    Had me fooled, too, and I usually can pick up that stuff pretty quickly.
     
  14. brebeans

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    The break in to the 'safe house' had me fooled, too.

    And, the CIA guy knows that he'll only get what he wants if he keeps cooperating with ISI. He might be stupid, to a certain extent, but all he did was get into Carrie's apartment when she wasn't home and get to the safe house and break in there (through the cardboard window!). You could see 'what's her name's" naivete and inexperience as a 'spy', when all she did was tape back up the cardboard....not having any suspicion of someone having broken in (or is SHE in on all this, too!!??).

    You know that the boy's uncle and company were told by the ISI woman, the minute she said she needed to make a 'call or text' or whatever she said.

    Carrie has always been volatile, which is what makes her character believable...she's all about the end game....with a bit of bi-polar thrown in. So, I wasn't surprised when she gave the order to shoot....she lost it in the moment...too many things going on...having watched her asset get shot in the head, having access to his uncle and possible letting him get away....too many things playing with her emotions. She did come to her senses when Quinn grabbed her, looked her in the eye and said "It's Saul!" I'm hoping that she doesn't go too 'over the top'. Her passion and "bipolarness" are what make her both very effective and very vulnerable. Just hope the writers don't overdo it.

    I am really liking this season.
     
  15. VegasVic

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    This season has certainly been WAY below the quality of 1-3. With Howard Gordon involved this season seems like the last couple of seasons of 24. It's a shame. Quality cast wasted.
     
  16. aindik

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    I saw some tweets like "wow ... Homeland" before I watched this. So I was on guard for a twist, and therefore saw the staged break in coming. I'm usually not very good at that. Little did I know, that wasn't the twist.

    I wonder what, if anything, Haqqani was planning to do with Saul before he was tipped that the CIA was onto his nephew.

    Also I'm wondering why shooting the nephew was a smart play by Haqqani. Why not use the kid to lure the CIA somewhere?

    I think we were supposed to see Carrie as becoming attached to the boy, not just the mission. Essentially she has the same feelings for "the boy" that she yelled at Fara about. I also think the shots of him praying were supposed to remind us of Brody.
     
  17. mooseAndSquirrel

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    During the break-in, I said to my wife, "those are some inept goons". A moment later we realized why.

    The major thing I found unbelievable is that Haqanni would show up, knowing there's a drone above trying to kill him.

    And speaking of unbelievable, them's some magic drones and that tracker they put into Ayan's passport is similarly magical. But then it all came to a bust when they drove their 3 cars in different directions! You can do facial recognition from 5,000 feet, you'd think you'd be able to identify the vehicle Saul and Haqanni are in.
     
  18. Rob Helmerichs

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    I didn't see it that way at all. She looked around the room at that point, and realized she wasn't going to get her way (both pilots had their hands lifted way up above the control panels, and everybody else was looking at her as if she were a deranged psychopath), and gave up. But if she could, in that moment I think she would have pushed the button herself.
     
  19. VegasVic

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    Exactly. There are a lot of ways to prove he has Saul. And if he wanted his nephew killed he had a bunch of people to do it for him.
     
  20. MikeAndrews

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    BOTH? The one flying the drone needed to keep flying it, even if it has auto-pilot.
    In the real world the crew is out west in the US in a container/bunker, not anywhere near the action.
    Satellite communications FTW.
     

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