Heroes "Powerless" OAD:12-3-2007

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by terpfan1980, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. Dec 5, 2007 #161 of 228

    allan Just someone TCF Club

    Oct 13, 2002


    In both DC and Marvel comics, there are quite a few people, mutants, or androids who can copy superpowers. Nearly all of them are villians. It's very tricky writing a hero with that kind of power. In a way I can understand making him inept at using his power effectively, but it's still somewhat annoying to always be yelling "Why didn't you do X, idiot" at the TV screen.
  2. Dec 5, 2007 #162 of 228

    scheckeNYK New Member

    Apr 28, 2004
    very similar to my "Kaito's killer is future Hiro" theory a couple of weeks ago. I think either of these would be a bold twist and add some depth to the characters.
  3. Dec 5, 2007 #163 of 228

    rich Final answer?

    Mar 18, 2002
    New York
    I keep thinking of Number 2 giving advice to Dr. Evil:

    "Now, Bob, the Company has in its possession a bag of blood that will cure *anything*, even death and dismemberment! Why don't you figure out how it works and patent it, then start selling it and become the richest man on Earth? Legitimately?"

    "NO! We want to remain shadowy!"
  4. Dec 5, 2007 #164 of 228

    bobcarn Birthday Hug Monkey TCF Club

    Nov 18, 2001
    This is my problem with this season. I was very much anticipating and looking forward to the original concept. It looked like they were going to stick to it too, as they started killing off people during the 1st season. But like most American shows, success rots away creativity. They realized they had a popular formula, so they kept it. They even acknowledged that's what they did when they said they thought what everyone wanted was more of Season 1. Really, they don't even have to kill people to move forward with new heroes and new stories. Hiro doesn't need to be killed just because you're not going to use him in an upcoming season. Nobody does. You simply move the story onto new people and different scenarios. But here we are with Sylar once again the villain doing the same stuff he did all of Season 1. That disappoints me. Now, for some other thoughts I had.

    1) Peter not simply stopping time, like people suggested. Well, Peter never mastered that ability. Even Hiro had trouble with it for a while.

    2) Peter not walking through the vault door. You're right. He probably would have just phased through it. A slip (amongst many) on the writers' part.

    3) I was finally really liking Nikki. Even without her strength and the aid of other personalities, she found courage and whupped that thug's butt! She's one of the few people I would want to see in the future.

    4) Nathan's death. You're right. No way people wouldn't have turned around and caught that guy.

    5) I think Nathan and Claire had the right ideas. Go public. Even if you don't bring the company down, going public will put a spotlight on you making it much much more difficult for the company to go around. They'd probably leave them alone since it would be too dangerous to try to abduct them, and there'd be little reason since they're already public.

    6) Adam being buried alive. Yeah, I know you need the basic building blocks of life (water, air) to regenerate, but that's where we suspend belief. I can see Adam clawing and chewing his way out. After all, he's got a lot of time to do it, and his fingers and jaws will keep regenerating until he's finally worked his way out of the ground. If you were in a box underground, you know you'd be doing the same.

    7) Mohinder should have tackled Sylar as soon as he put down the gun! Idiot!
  5. Dec 5, 2007 #165 of 228

    TreborPugly Unreal!

    May 2, 2002
    Eastern TN


    I think the bullet through the brain idea is just an idea. We know of no one who has actually killed a person with the regenerating ability. Last season, Peter told Claire that it "might" be a way to kill him if she needed to. I think Mama's suggestion to Peter is just as much conjecture. There's nothing wrong with the characters having a wrong idea about how to kill a regenerator.

    The guy who killed Nathan: I think it must be someone older, who is a confidant of Mama Patrelli. That leaves out flying boy. She sees the surveillance of the vault and lets someone know what Nathan is planning. This someone goes to stop him, gets there just in time, kills him, leaves, and calls Mama Patrelli to apologize for killing her son. Could be someone new. Maybe she has a third son, born before Nathan.
  6. Dec 5, 2007 #166 of 228

    stellie93 Well-Known Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    I thought we decided that Parkman had the crowd all focused so hard on Nathan that even after he was shot they could only look at him.

    If they go public, they might be jumping from the frying pan into the fire--going from the company to the government. Their chances for a normal life would be shot. Can you imagine the government letting someone with Claire's power go?

    Trying to figure out what Maya's purpose is--is it possible that the virus that kills 94% of the world isn't really Shanti, but is Maya's illness? Maybe the vial was never going to get out, but the world was doomed when they saved Maya. Maybe she was supposed to die.
  7. Dec 5, 2007 #167 of 228

    Philosofy Super Duper Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    I just rewatched, and thought of a couple things (forgive me if I smeek.)

    When Angela Petrelli listened to the news, it said Nathan was shot, not shot and killed. Perhaps Peter did a quick injection of his own blood?

    Regarding Peter's girlfriend: She was brought forward to a reality where the virus had killed most of mankind. Peter has prevented that reality from occurring, so, can she be brought back? Will Peter try, and will he need Hiro's experience to get there? And if he can't bring her back, what will be the ramifications (to the Company)?
  8. Dec 5, 2007 #168 of 228

    stalemate McGruber

    Aug 21, 2005
    Little Rock, AR
    I noticed that too, but it also referred to the shooter as an "assassin." Would the shooter be an assassin if the target didn't die?
  9. Dec 5, 2007 #169 of 228

    Figaro El Caganer

    Nov 9, 2003
    Somwhere in...
    Ok, let's leave the flying folks out of this part. How the hell is everyone getting from NY to CA so damn fast? Bob and Noah just get there when they had clearly just been with Elle in NY?

    Why more Sylar? He is the biggest whiny ***** of a bad guy. I hope 24 dude is a better Spock than he is a villain.
  10. Dec 5, 2007 #170 of 228

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    I"m pretty sure Nathan was shot and killed -- dead.

    But. .. all he needs is another injection of Claire's blood, and he'll come back to life. in fact, no one is permanantly dead because of the plot device of the blood.

    What's the called?

    A McGuffin? Deus es Machina?
  11. Dec 5, 2007 #171 of 228

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Midichlorians! :D
  12. Dec 5, 2007 #172 of 228

    unicorngoddess Wooooonicorngodess

    Nov 19, 2005
    Lewisville, TX
    That's true. I didn't even think of his invisibility.

    What's wrong with Peter? I think the Hatian wiped out more than he should have.
  13. Dec 5, 2007 #173 of 228

    stalemate McGruber

    Aug 21, 2005
    Little Rock, AR
    The last couple seasons of Alias?
  14. Dec 5, 2007 #174 of 228

    Fassade New Member

    Apr 8, 2004
    While Peter is not exactly a master tactician, in his defense on this point, Adam needed to enter the facility for his own reasons. He would have withheld from Peter enough information on where the virus was, and what it would look like, s Peter would have had to to take them both inside. I do not think we ever saw that Claude/Peter's invisibility could make a 2nd person invisible at the same time, though perhaps we did and I simply do not recall.
  15. Dec 5, 2007 #175 of 228

    ZooCaretaker Lock up the lions

    May 22, 2007
    What was the purpose of the Haitian wiping out Peter's memory anyway?
  16. Dec 6, 2007 #176 of 228

    Fraser+Dief New Member

    Nov 18, 2005
    Otttawa, Canada
    Lots of kvetching here as usual. I don't understand what folks are complaining about. Half the complaints aren't even valid, mostly it's folks forgetting something from previous episodes. The show is just as compelling as it was in season 1.

    Yeah, how ridiculous was that!? That'd never happen in real life! ;)


    It's not like he Ruby'd him.
  17. Dec 6, 2007 #177 of 228

    NJChris Kermie Loves Elmo TCF Club

    May 11, 2001
    Such as what?
  18. Dec 6, 2007 #178 of 228

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    Did ruby walk out the door free? Or was he immediately grabbed on the spot?
  19. Dec 6, 2007 #179 of 228

    dansee Sayonara

    Oct 23, 2003
    And once again, the big, hyped "finale" is not all that big... or much of a finale.

    Still, things moved along nicely, so I can't complain too much about the episode. I'm willing to overlook a lot of plot holes, if something keeps me engaged, and they certainly managed to do it this week.

    Really, truly, think it's time for Sylar to go. His schtick is getting old.

    Still have no idea why the remaining mexitwin is around... talk about a lot of wasted plot hours.

    As heroes go, this has got to be the biggest collection of gullible, dense, idiots ever assembled. At times, the show is starting to feel more like "Mystery Men."

    They always manage to give me just enough to keep coming back the next time. If they can keep things rolling like the last few weeks, I'll keep hanging in there with them, although sometimes that's been awfully painful to do this season.
  20. Dec 6, 2007 #180 of 228

    johnperkins21 Member

    Aug 29, 2005
    Once Peter knew where it was in the vault, he could have left Adam outside and phased through and simply destroyed everything in the room. You're out to save the world and you have been given doubts about the man who's supposedly helping you. If he won't tell you specific details about the item and insists he goes along, then he's using you.

    It's not that he's "not exactly a master tactician," it's that he's functionally retarded. Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson are smarter characters.

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