Heroes "Powerless" OAD:12-3-2007

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  1. Dec 4, 2007 #101 of 228
    NJChris

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    I'm not sure I like that using Claire's blood will heal people. It opens up an easy out. Oops.. you were chopped into 500 peices, but claire's blood will fix you right up.

    What happens if Claire donates blood at a blood drive. ;)
     
  2. Dec 4, 2007 #102 of 228
    hapdrastic

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    After thinking about it last night, and coupled with the photograph of "the 12" that they've been showing all season, I've decided it's Papa Petrelli (his face was never shown, etc).
     
  3. Dec 4, 2007 #103 of 228
    dswallow

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    I think Hiro is just as stupid, but maybe in slightly different ways. Of course if you just mean a "bit" as in on a scale of 1 to 10 Peter is a 5, and Hiro is a 5.0000000000001, I can go with that. ;)
     
  4. Dec 4, 2007 #104 of 228
    dswallow

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    And why is a bullet shot into the brain a killer but a stake into the brain isn't? We know it kept Claire from healing while it was there, but after it was removed, she healed. And for that matter Noah was shot in the brain and he could be healed. So Mama Petrelli must be kinda dumb, too, in her own way. ;)
     
  5. Dec 4, 2007 #105 of 228
    astrohip

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    Plot holes don't really bother me, and I can handle inconsistencies, writer goofs and all sorts of nitpicks. I can't handle pointless & boring story arcs.

    I just found little point to this entire season (as it stands so far). The story was just all over the place. What real purpose did Maya & her bro (who was so nothing I can't even remember his name anymore) serve? Her power is almost worthless, especially in terms of future plot development. Did they need her/them to get Sylar back to Mohinder? Heck, they coulda done that a hundred different ways. The New Orleans story? Again, for what purpose? It had *nothing* to do with nothing. Without it we wouldn't miss a thing. With it, we don't have any sense of adding or "filling in" a broader story arc. It was just a total waste. Uhura? Screen filler. Or a slight nod to the Sulu character. But no purpose *at all* to this season.

    Caitlin in the future? Who knows? The entire "Peter in a box shipped to Ireland, meets a girl, comes back, saves the world" story line? 90% filler & wasted.

    Shows like this paint a broad canvas, rich with details, that create a symbiosis of stories, all twisting around each other, playing off each other, and in the process, creating an entire world for us to enjoy. LOST is a master of this; Heroes did an excellent job of this for about 3/4 of its first season. But I feel the finish to last year, and most of this year, have NOT lived up to what they initially gave us.

    And I think the reason so many of us are unhappy is not just because we are disappointed with what we are getting now, but knowing what we first had, and showing us what they were capable of doing, and now getting this. A 6 show is a 6 show. A show that was a 9 and is now a 6 is a letdown.

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  6. Dec 4, 2007 #106 of 228
    astrohip

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    To add a few more cents to my .02 above...

    One possible reason the show seems off-kilter to many of us may be the change in writing direction about 2/3 of the way thru the first season. (By off-kilter, I mean the way the finale to Season One, and this arc of Season Two are disliked by so many loyal fans.)

    Originally, the idea was for Season One to stand alone, and for many (most?) of the characters to not return. It was going to be the concept of Heroes year after year, but not the *same* heroes. I think this would have given the writers an incredibly rich pallete of stories to pick from, and powers that would be both fresh and interesting.

    But as the show became a super-hit, they decided it was too valuable a franchise to just write off so many characters. After all, Hiro was a star; how can we kill him? So they changed the entire concept the show was created under, and decided to carry the characters forward each year.

    So it seems we end up with story lines where we dance around their super powers, like Peter's amnesia. Or Sylar's amnesia/whatever. Or Hiro's getting tossed around thru time willy-nilly. Because we have developed characters whose powers we know, and hence have to limit them to create story lines about regaining them. Or we have episodes called "Four Months Ago" and "Five Months Ahead" (I'm paraphrasing) just to attempt to tie together this disparate story line. Or pictures of "12" who we never really discover much about.

    I say we throw the whole lot out, and start over. It can't be any worse than what we have now.
     
  7. Dec 4, 2007 #107 of 228
    getreal

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    ROFLMAO!! :up: Great speech writing, TAsunder! :up:

    I'm also inclined to think the invisible man, Claude, was Nathan's shooter. I doubt Nathan will die, and I think Adam will be exhumed. Nikki might be a goner, but with this show, dead people don't tend to stay dead.

    And it is a classic comic book superhero storytelling device to have a superhero motivated by the tragic deaths of his/her parents, so this might motivate Micah.

    You can see that the writers are trying to be politically correct by including as many races and age groups as possible in order to appeal to the widest demographic.
     
  8. Dec 4, 2007 #108 of 228
    nirisahn

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    I agree with the ones who thing it's HRG. When he went to the house to talk Claire out of exposing their secrets, he said he made a deal with the company to keep them safe. He had to go back to the company, and they would leave his family alone. And the shooter looked like HRG from the back. So my guess is that the company got wind of what Nathan was going to do and sent HRG to stop it.
     
  9. Dec 4, 2007 #109 of 228
    DevdogAZ

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    I'm fairly certain it's not HRG. Mama Petrelli was on the phone with the killer at the end, and and I don't think they were on very good terms. I think I like the previous guess that it was Papa Petrelli who was the shooter.
     
  10. Dec 4, 2007 #110 of 228
    jsmeeker

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    you sure she was on the phone with the actual shooter and not maybe someone else from the company? (i.e. Bob)
     
  11. Dec 4, 2007 #111 of 228
    DevdogAZ

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    You must have missed the line in the previous episode where the people who stole Micah's backpack were talking about how they had been paid by someone to torch vacant buildings. Right after that line was spoken, they found her hiding up in the ceiling. They had to assume that she'd overheard what they said and that she'd be a liability if they let her go. It's not a stretch at all for a criminal to murder someone to avoid being caught.
     
  12. Dec 4, 2007 #112 of 228
    tem

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    there's also two people from Alias on the show so they probably had a hand in it as well. Weiss always f'd things like that up :D
     
  13. Dec 4, 2007 #113 of 228
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Plus, to me it didn't look anything like HRG--the shooter was tall and thin. HRG, not so much.
     
  14. Dec 4, 2007 #114 of 228
    DancnDude

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    Some cool info about this episode and next "season" here:

    About next season:
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    There are plenty more baddies coming after the writers' strike concludes. In fact, the title of Volume 3 — "Villains" — says it all.

    "We've introduced a cadre of them over the course of the show and we're going to see them rise up," Kring says. "Just as the heroes have found each other to save the world, the villains will do the same with the opposite intent." And their numbers may be legion. "The Company has catalogued many of these people over the years. There may be more of them down in that basement than we have alluded to so far."
    ..."



    Now to me, this sounds like they're addressing our concerns about making a more exciting next entry into the series. Pitting the heroes against bunches of villians should be really fun. I'm ok with Sylar returning. He is a really fun guy to love to hate.
     
  15. Dec 4, 2007 #115 of 228
    Magnolia88

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    That's what I was thinking. She was on the phone with Bob, but he sent HRG to do the actual deed (as the price he was paying for being assured of his family's safety). Bob didn't have Elle as an assassin, so he sent HRG.
     
  16. Dec 4, 2007 #116 of 228
    DevdogAZ

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    See, I think that if she were on the phone with a character we already know, they would have shown who she was talking to. The way they set up that scene, I thought it seemed pretty obvious that she was talking to someone we don't know and that she's got a secret motive that's not necessarily aligned with the motives of The Company.
     
  17. Dec 4, 2007 #117 of 228
    jsmeeker

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    It's possible it was someone we don't know, but that doesn't mean it was the same person as the shooter.


    Of course, it could also be someone we know, but who we think is dead.

    :)
     
  18. Dec 4, 2007 #118 of 228
    nataylor

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    I know it's part of the story line that no one cares about, but on the cover of "9th Wonders" that was stolen from Micah, St. Joan is holding a wavy blade. That wavy blade is also seen in the vault with the virus. So somehow Monica gets ahold of that knife.

    Here's the cover:
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  19. Dec 4, 2007 #119 of 228
    JYoung

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    Corniness is one thing.
    Plot holes big enough to drive a starship through are another thing entirely.
     
  20. Dec 4, 2007 #120 of 228
    Jeeters

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    Any power that can be labeled something as simple as "causes death" seems like a valuable power to me. As for the future, perhaps we'll find out it trumps the regenerative powers of Claire, Adam, etc. And perhaps we'll also see a plotline where blood of a regenerative hero is passed around to 'evil' heroes to make them virtually unstoppable. Perhaps her power is used to stop all that. Just pie-in-the-sky thoughts but, still.
     

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