Help with Moca Connection & Tivo Volt Mini

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  1. Possie

    Possie New Member

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    The fios router is in next room over from my main tv room....approx 20 ft between the two routers. Since the routers are on different networks, this shouldn’t necessarily be an issue, right? Will be using comcast cable/internet for tv purposes only. Planning to keep verizon fios because it is far superior for internet service and speeds for computing.
     
  2. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    The only issue I see, aside from it likely being unnecessary and an extra expense, is problems with mobile streaming if your wireless devices connect to your FiOS router as their access point. (And, really, any other in-home mobile device access to the TiVo boxes would be slower than necessary, since the traffic would have to cross the Internet just to get to the other (Comcast) LAN.)

    You should be on-track to getting the setup working via the Comcast Internet connection, but, when you're ready, I'd recommend revisiting the FiOS/Comcast Internet/TV hybrid setup. (Uploading photos of your ONT and front panel and back panel connections for your FiOS router would be of interest. Got a smartphone?)
     
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    How would wireless devices connect to the fios if I do not configue their settings to use such?
     
  4. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Oh, you said you’d continue using FiOS for your main Internet connection and the Comcast connection only for TV/TiVos, so I assumed you’d have any wireless devices connecting via your FiOS router (as you’ve been connecting your BOLT, until now).

    However you plan on doing it, multiple LANs is a complication.*

    * edit: p.s. Additional complications may include: inability to download/upload content between the TiVo DVR and a PC; inability or impediments to serving PLEX content from a PC/NAS PLEX server to PLEX TiVo clients; mobile devices connected to the Comcast/TiVo LAN not having access to printers on FiOS LAN; ...
     
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    Note that your “traditional” cable set-top boxes or modem could be used to assist in identifying the coax lines. Connect a STB or the modem to a wall outlet then identify the associated coax run in the basement by disconnecting and reconnecting each coax run until you determine which disconnection disrupts the signal to the STB/modem. A bit more labor intensive than the testing tool, but cheaper.

    Also, you may want to test the provider set-too box at the Mini location to verify the coax connection, as well as testing the Mini at a known-good location, such as the basement TV.
     
  6. Possie

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    I HAVE SUCCESS FINALLY!!!!

    Thank you Krkaufman and others who chimed in. I really can’t believe it!


    So, as a followup....

    The POE filter was put in outside box by Comcast tech and basement one was removed. I put back the 2Ghz splitters in basement and where the Bolt Vox main unit is. There is NO ethernet cable between my Comcast modem/router gateway and the Bolt Vox anymore. I was finally able to get the Network Settings for the Bolt Vox main unit to set up as a MOCA CLIENT (for first time as Moca alone). I then successfully got the Mini In the upstairs room working on that ancient TV! The setup went smoothly without errors this time and I got TV channels on it, and saw my recorded listing of shows from the main Tivo. So it looks like I’m gold!

    I was a little concerned that there were other splitters upstairs that I would have to locate and upgrade, but I guess this will work. I now feel like I can get other minis to try at a later time.

    Again....THANK YOU ALL, and now you know it can be done!
     
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    Heh, I expect we were all pretty sure it *could* be done, even the FiOS/Comcast hybrid setup, but the effort was likely hindered by missing or not fully appreciating this earlier comment from @fcfc2:
    ;)

    Glad you have it working; we're still here, if/when you want to learn how the networking can be handled via the FiOS connection. (Glass half full... getting MoCA working/proven on the Comcast coax segment is half the job.)
     
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    You guys are indeed top-notch! I was almost ready to give up, but I worked my way through it. I think getting the Fios side working in the equation would be a whole other thing....I’ll just quit where I have things working adequately for my needs.

    And you are right about phone tech....they are not always very good. Certainly a couple of the ones I dealt with were sub-par.

    Again....thanks so much, and if I have other oddball issues...I’ll let you all know. Keep up the great job helping people through this stuff!
     
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  9. krkaufman

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    So, as a starting point if/when, here's what I interpret as your current situation, with the FiOS ONT-to-router connection an unknown ...

    Possie Big Picture w Comcast MoCA.png

    ... though possibly a coax (MoCA WAN) connection, based on this earlier post:
    A pic of the back panel (port side) of the MI424-WR router, and of the status LEDs should confirm the connection type. (Or just confirming that nothing is plugged-in to the router's "WAN" Ethernet port.)

    For example (but of your actual router):
    MI424-WR back panel.jpg MI424-WR status LEDs.jpg


    Assuming there are NO OTHER unused coax outlets available in the same room as the FiOS router, as suggested by this earlier post...
    ... the following would be one possible solution for networking all your gear via FiOS:

    Possie Big Picture w FiOS MoCA WAN.png
    ... though it'd be eminently easier if you had an Ethernet WAN connection, or a spare coax wall outlet that connected to the basement:
    Possie Big Picture w FiOS Ethernet WAN.png Possie Big Picture w FiOS MoCA WAN + addl outlet.png
    NOTE: The optional network switch pictured attached to the BOLT in the drawings is explained in >this post<.

    Good luck...

    edit: p.s. Add'l couple thoughts... One other benefit of having just one LAN is that a Mini could be installed in the router room and networked via Ethernet from the FiOS router:

    Possie FiOS MoCA + Mini.png

    Also, the MI424-WR is an older model. Depending on your ISP spec'd speed, you might want to consider an Ethernet WAN connection and/or upgrading to a G1100 Quantum Gateway (per this last diagram).

    CC: @Possie
     
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  10. krkaufman

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    If still around, I'm curious as to what your spec'd download/upload speeds are for your FiOS and Comcast Internet connections, and what you're seeing as actual speeds via a speedtest from a PC/laptop hard-wired to the respective routers.
     

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