HELP! Tivo Premiere stuck in guided setup loop?

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  1. jmbach

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    Sofar, no one has been able to recover from that issue. I would try kickstart 57 or 58. But I don't have high hopes for a recovery. So it is with high probability your recordings are lost.

    You are likely going to have to re-image the drive. Before I would do that I would run the manufacturer diagnostic on it to clear out any flakey spots. Since the recordings are lost I would do a read-full write-read diagnostic run.

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  2. Jul 1, 2020 #102 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Thanks jmbach I am in slightly better shape because I had made copies of my 500 gig drive before it became corrupted I just replied back to you from the mffs 3.2 thread although I have not gotten to the stage of making a cd of the software or iso yet you will be seeing a lot of these same issues come up with the original hard drives in series 4 becoming corrupted and them going into restart constantly so if you can come up with fixes in mffs3.2 where the original hard drive can be copied including all the recordings while at the same time installing a clean software image to the drive that would make a lot of us grateful in the community.
     
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  3. Jul 1, 2020 #103 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Thats the side of me that worked in a call center environment in sales and service at one point, also my late grandfather was a technical genius inventer and problem solver with dealing with technology, so i inherited that technical side from him.
     
  4. Jul 1, 2020 #104 of 160
    gteague

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    i apologize for not replying--massive internet outage since 2300 last night. using cellular hotspot and only have 1gb data, so i'm hosed. will check back in when the isp recovers. tks to all for tips. /guy
     
  5. Jul 1, 2020 #105 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    No problem you may want to reach out to ggseiki on this thread he has been very helpful and patient with me, as I slowly work through the 6 or 7 issues I am working on with getting the recordings and program information structures looking right again, on my original 500 gig drive, he also may have an image file for you as he sent me an image for my series 4 premier.
     
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  6. Jul 1, 2020 #106 of 160
    gteague

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    wow! 14+ hour outage with a fiber-to-the-curb isp i've been with for 7 years without any outage longer than an hour or so. and they don't even really know what caused it.

    but it went out while i was trying to post a very long reply and that's gone forever i guess.

    it sounds like i'm out of luck watching the existing recordings. anyone know why it worked fine up until the ill-advised setup attempt? one would think that it means the drive is at least good enough to play what's stored on it.

    i've tried ks 51, 52, and 56 and only 52 seems to work in that it churns away for about 10 minutes saying 'updating', but then returns to the same loop. if it's true that no server even exists for updates, then there's no hope. but it worked on v2.3xxxxxx until i did setup.

    i'll try 57 and 58 although i think the drive is ok. i can't see investing the $230 for a drive and transferring my recordings when i'm not going to be able to record anything else ever. it's not like i had the in-laws wedding videos on there, after all. :)

    i've worked in computers since i built the very first pc from a kit and i'm just unwilling to accept that i can't break into or disrupt a software loop. that's what will haunt me. :)

    /guy
     
  7. Jul 1, 2020 #107 of 160
    gteague

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    well, i got a result. i did a ks 57 and i now have a black screen: smart, test hda/b/c, short auto test, longer auto test, overnight test.

    but the remote doesn't work. how do i select one and which one? smart would seem a no-brainer.

    nevermind the remote. it started working. running smart ...... what others do i need to run if i have the choice?
     
  8. Jul 1, 2020 #108 of 160
    gteague

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    so smart passed first 3 tests and i aborted because the extended one was 335 minutes estimated. i did the quick test on /dev/hda and it says:

    read random locations of dev/hda: test failed: smart enable/disable failed

    does that mean the drive is toast for read access?
     
  9. Jul 1, 2020 #109 of 160
    gteague

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    did ks 58 and it again said 'updating', but didn't. i think this experiment is over for me. many thanks to all who responded. /guy
     
  10. Jul 1, 2020 #110 of 160
    jmbach

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    That sounds like a kickstart 56 test not a 57. 57 usually gives you a green screen for a while before rebooting. (unless it fails and it never reboots)
    I wold remove the drive and use the manufacturer's diagnostic on the drive. The built in drive tests are somewhat unreliable.
     
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  11. Jul 1, 2020 #111 of 160
    jmbach

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    There is one more thing we can try if you are able to edit a few places on the drive itself. We may be able to change the primary booting partition to the back up. PM me if you would like to try.
     
  12. Jul 1, 2020 #112 of 160
    gteague

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    i really appreciate it, but i don't think i'm going to invest any more effort into it for so little reward. i have like 5 streaming services including the new tivo stream 4k and hundreds of recordings on a disk hopper3, so it's not like i'm hurting for content. waiting for 'warrior nun' to drop on netflix on the 2nd and hoping it's at least a fraction of what buffy was. :)

    i used to run multiple os's and had multiple pc's back when i was working, but i've gotten very lazy in my doddering years! it wasn't anything but an interesting project anyway.

    thanks very much for the offer though. /guy
     
  13. Jul 1, 2020 #113 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Understand I would not have tried the kickstart codes when I tried it on my 500 gig drive it just unpaired my tivo remote, honestly you would have been better off,if you ever had tivo desktop plus using that on any computer even a Mac if possible and tried backing up your recordings,even if you could only get one recording at a time I hope you did not go to guided setup if you did you are royally screwed the other option is if you still have any sort of computer is to download tivo py or python it is totally free, if you could even get it to show up on your device list and hope you can get one recording at a time, although the recording dates are not accurate, if you ever transfered those recordings to another tivo and then back again, then honestly I would just get a 3tb western digital red 3tb drive from microcenters website if you live here in the us like me they carry in stock the efrx models which are hard to find, and they only cost 109 dollars. But not sure, if they will run out of stock soon. Then have ggseiki send you a 3tb image for your model series 4, which i think you said was an xl model, and he will instruct you on downloading and using dvr barz software which i believed he developed, either way do not give up hope. Yet but the lesson here, is be a little unconventional, and nutty like me with making multiple copies of your original hard drive and backing up your recordings to a computer even if you end up having 7 different drives with recordings like me, and tivo online to transfer your recordings,if you have other tivo devices forget it that is not working correctly either. Anyway i am still working on restoring my recordings to my original drive and I just figured out if the seperator shows up try switching back and forth in tivo desktop plus between bonjour and the beacon network settings to interact with your tivo, now if you don't currently have a working computer, maybe if you have a friend or family member with a working laptop maybe they will lend you their laptop, because if i could somehow I would see i could try and get your recordings out with my computer, but unless you live in Pennsylvania near the Philadelphia area it would be impossible.
     
  14. Jul 1, 2020 #114 of 160
    gteague

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    years ago i would have been all over this. i had the python program and toast and i might even have downloaded all my recordings at one point as it's definitely something i would have done. but my move out of dfw scattered all my hard drives around and although i have a dock which accepts sata and a sata->lightning interface to get my ssd drive data into my mac, i'd have to do some real digging to find all those drives.
     
  15. Jul 2, 2020 #115 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Understand I for the first time since 2001 am using a desktop I built myself, now my frustration is with deploying the programs i backed up in tivo desktop back and restoring the programs on several of the recordings the seperator tag is showing up when they are not on the other drives, and tivo online for transfering recordings between devices is not working properly, so now i am just going to transfer a few of the programs, where the seperator tag on the program info is not there onto my original hard drive and call tivo technical support and tell them they need to fix the problem with tivo online so the recordings can be transfered between my bolt and my romio and transfered completely and not stopping at 24 minutes on every recording that will transfer and most of the ones I have iniated will not even go to the to do list, my other 2 tivos have been upgraded to the hydra platform which looks great but has lots of glitches and yes I have tivo + on the devices because it comes for free in the hydra platform, but on that platform. You can no longer back up recordings,or transfer them back from a computer. Thats why my tivo series 4 premier has been essential as I can transfer recordings directly to that dvr and now thanks to the combination of tivo desktop plus and tivo python which just came about a year ago, I think, I can transfer or deploy the recordings back to the premier but if I want to then send recordings out of the premier to the other 2 tivos tivo online needs to work properly, i just want to be done with this process concerning my original drive so, I can move onto getting all the extra recordings between 3 different drives from the premier into my computer, and then finnaly get to using my 4tb green drive again and getting the extra recordings into my computer and making sure the original recordings that were on the 500 gig drive are back on that drive, and then finnaly using mffs 3.2 tools copy and expand that drive to a 4tb red drive, so it uses the full 4tb of space instead of maxing out at 2.45 tbs of space.
     
  16. Jul 2, 2020 #116 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Years ago i was all over things like this but then my laptop crashed last year, and in the case of tivo, the issues we are facing that is making many of us mad, started around 2018 or around 6 months months, after rovi aquired tivo and moved headquarters from San Jose CA to about 20 minutes from where I live to a place called Devon PA or Pennsylvania near Philadelphia, and let me tell you rovi is more concerned with patents and copy protection and suing comcast,and collecting fees vs innovation and creativity, and unique features which is what many of us die hard fans loved about tivos, and let me tell you I loved the tivo community forum and I loved downloading the mffs reformator software in 2015 and reformatting a 6tb drive for my romio and then using the updated version 2 years later to affix another 6tb red drive on top of my brand new bolt, and then 6 months later things started going downhill, and I believe ggseiki developed the mffs reformator for romios and bolts, but i am not sure.
     
  17. Nola111

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    @ggieseke I’d greatly appreciate if you could also send me the image. Same boat over here with a TiVo XL that has been unplugged for years.
     
  18. ggieseke

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    Sent.
     
  19. gabrielstern

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    Just a quick question that may help, does your series4 xl have any recordings you care about on it? Question number 2 is, do you have any other working tivo's? If any of these scenarios apply or you have backed up your recordings. I could also help you as I just went through this using ggseiki's images to restore my series 4, and restore all my recordings except one that was copyrighted, although it was very time consuming and in my case involved using my romio and creating another drive in my romio, and rolling back the software to pull recordings from a previosely expanded drive that was in my series 4 premier, and then reupgrading the software in my romio before putting the regular drive back in. In my case also I had to scrap my original 500 gig drive and replace it with a 1tb red drive, but i am in good shape now. I bring this up because their is a good chance the stock drive in addition to the software corruption may also have some sector wear and some fragmention, even if it has not been used for several years, tivo had a lot of junky stuff in their software especially from the time period of 2016 to 2019, that put more wear on the stock drives.
     
  20. gabrielstern

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    Also ggseiki's images also realigns the sectors so thier is less wear on the drive vs the original stock image from tivo.
     

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