HELP! Tivo Premiere stuck in guided setup loop?

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  1. Jun 26, 2020 #81 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    The problem is you may not be able to get it out of guided setup from the posts above they offer the factory images but I am not sure if it was reimaged if in guided setup it would have the same issue with guided setup also i believe the series 4 only came with a 320 gig hard drive so even if you can get it out of guided setup you may still want to consider getting a 3tb western digital red drive they are not very expensive, at around 100 us dollars also just so you know their is a romio that offers the either cable or ota option as well that tivo regular model came with 4 tunners and a 500 gig hard drive in my case i have one tivo premier 1 romio pro and one bolt, I just know that romios are easier to deal with than series 4 tivo's and earlier models as for the romio model I am referring to it was just called romio and tivo discontinued that model in 2015 and replaced it with the romio ota only model.
     
  2. Jun 27, 2020 #82 of 160
    OCSean

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    gabrielstern, I was able to get out of the guided setup loop and completely configure my Series 4 Tivo just fine. @ggieseke was able to help me.
     
  3. Jun 27, 2020 #83 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    I am glad ggieseke also has a post for the mfsr reformattor if you have any issues with your romio plus or decide to get a bolt you may want to consider putting a 3tb western digital red drive in your series 4 they are around 100 dollars and you can order them at microcenter. Com if you like and you can download if you like the mfsr linux based copy software,if you like for free now if i could get ggieseki to help me get my original 500 gig drive for my premier to update its software or if I have to completely delete everything on that drive at least get that drive not to get stuck in guided setup. Either way i am glad he was able to get your premier running, now do you have tivo desktop plus installed on any of your computers if so i suggest you download the pytivo desktop software to work with tivo desktop plus so you will be able to transfer programs back if you need to using your series 4 or romio plus if that device is still running the classic platform and you did not update that platform to the hydra based platform, either way i suggest you keep your romio plus connected to your network even if no cable card is installed so you can view previosely recorded programs or if you need to use that device as a storage or tivo interface, like I use my series 4 premier as, until i can downgrade my romios software back to the classic platform, as in my case i like at least one tivo to be running the classic platform so i can back up programs on my computer but have the ability to transfer them back if I need to.
     
  4. Jun 27, 2020 #84 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Thanks challenge is the formatting is off by about 500 gigs for programing hours i have a 4tb green drive also but that also maxes out at 2.45 tbs for total recording it reads 429 HD hours is mfs tools 3.2 difficult to use or does it work simarely to the mfsr program from 2010 that is linuxed based that i used to copy the original 500 gig drive, also do you have the factory image for tivo premiers that came with 500 gig green drives so I could at least fix the software in the original drive which I never updated since 2015, also will the mfs3.2 work on romios or bolts, but first I need to get recordings out of romio pro and find a 6 tuner bolt that had the classic platform installed and not hydra go through puting 8tb drive on it and then transfer all recordings from romio to bolt then downgrade romio to classic platform then deal with recordings on premier than hopefully I can finnaly give my premier a permanent and proper retirement, also can I using mfs. 3.2 extract the 3 copy protected programs i have 2 are on the romio running the hydra platform and one is on the premier if i could get them into my computer somehow and saved i would be happy. Then be able to deploy them back to at least one of the of the tivos of my choosing running the classic platform I would be happy. As my plan is to have 2 bolts upgraded running hydra but have romio run classic platform again, but until tivo deals with the transferring into computers and back again and transferring directly between devices again on the hydra platform i will not buy a tivo bolt vox or even the new edge. As I have to have at least one unit on the classic platform to be able to use as an interface between my computer and to be able to transfer back using py desktop as with tivo desktop i can only transfer into my computer using desktop plus now and only on tivos running the classic platform.
     
  5. Jun 28, 2020 #85 of 160
    ggieseke

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    I think you're talking about jmfs here because you mention 2010 and Linux. MFS Reformatter (mfsr) is a Windows program that lets you create drives over 3TB for Roamios and Bolts. jmfs is a java port of the original MFS Tools 1.x with updates for Premieres. It runs on Linux and it's mostly menu driven, which made it easy to use.

    MFS Tools 3.x was written by one of the original authors of MFS Tools 1.x, repackaged by comer, and now maintained by jmbach. It runs on Linux but you have to enter the command lines manually instead of picking common options from a menu. It will copy and expand any TiVo including Roamios & Bolts up to 4TB, and you can add partitions from there for even more space.

    What model number is the Premiere? The TCD746500 and TCD750500 both came with 500GB drives, but they're completely different boxes. I have updated images for both models.

    Yes.

    No. Copy protected recordings can never be moved to another Tivo or a computer because the encryption is keyed to the specific motherboard that made the recording.
     
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  6. Jun 28, 2020 #86 of 160
    gabrielstern

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  7. Jun 28, 2020 #87 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Model number is tcd 750500 and was manufactured in 2012 original drive is a western digital green avds but it is 500 gigs since i have copied that drive successfully twice before i am not concerned about deleting the entire contents of that drive but when i copied that drive recently the drive I copied it too woud not download the software updates sucessfully, so I put that drive in guided setup and it got stuck so I ended up using jmfs to copy a 3 tb to another 3tb so if I can reimage the factory drive then I can figure out the rest as for mffs could I stick my 2 3tb drives in and my 4tb drive into this program and use it to fix the partitions so the 3tb drive reads 475 HD hours instead of 429 HD hours and can i fix the 4tb so it reads around 530 hd hours instead of 429 hours without deleting anything, I know it is a lot to take in but I need those drives to actually have the correct formatting and not be maxed at 2.45 teribytes.
     
  8. Jun 28, 2020 #88 of 160
    mjoconnell

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    Bringing an XL out of retirement and stuck in the setup loop. I have model number TCD758250 can I get the latest system image. Thanks!
     
  9. Jun 28, 2020 #89 of 160
    ggieseke

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    Image sent.
     
  10. Jun 28, 2020 #90 of 160
    ggieseke

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    Sent.
     
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  11. Jun 28, 2020 #91 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    thanks I will test file on my computer later tonight are there any special instructions once I hook up the original drive to my computer such as do I need to create a cd and then restart my computer and boot it from a my rom drive for the image or can I can i copy the image in the windows environment.
     
  12. Jun 28, 2020 #92 of 160
    ggieseke

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    Use DvrBARS to restore the image. It's a Windows program.

    Dvr Backup And Restore Software for Windows (DvrBARS)
     
  13. Jun 28, 2020 #93 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    i am not seeing the image you sent for my premier i have plugged in my original 500 gig drive into one of my computer slots my tivo model number is tcd 750500 it is the 4 tuner premier not the regular 2 tuner series 4 and not the xl with the 1tb drive
     
  14. Jun 28, 2020 #94 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    I have also looked at the link for the thread you sent me but I am not seeing the particular image for my model number
     
  15. Jun 29, 2020 #95 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    i have now downloaded win dvr back up so i can do the restore do I need to create and initialize the 500 gig tivo drive with a drive letter now really need guidance to the next steps before I proceed any further I do not want to ruin my other hard drives I may just cancel what I did until I get step by step guidance so that I know that drive a was my actaul tivo drive that was backed up
     
  16. Jun 29, 2020 #96 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    thats it I created a drive letter for my 500 gig tivo but I will not format it in windows as it will wipe the recordings on it I just need to backup the tivo drive and restore it without screwing up my c drive and my 8tb e drive which is intended just to store backed up tivo recordings that works with tivo desktop but this win dvr software just says microsoft virtaul disk a and will not let me restore the image I was much happier working in the linux enviroment and with a software program that at least confirms a tivo drive was detected without screwing up everything else in my computer and then asks me where and which drive I would like to save my backup image to and then follows a process of giving me the the tivo drive to send the restored image too. this is just too complicated with the windows enviroment and this computer and the errors I am getting even from your image file trying to deploy it, need step by step guidance through every step so I can confirm and verify only my tivo drive gets what it needs.
     
  17. Jun 30, 2020 #97 of 160
    gteague

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    hate to say me too (apologies to the movement of that name) but i've been out of the tivo business for 7 years now ever since i got outsourced and had to move to a rural area without cable. i had an urge to try to watch my recordings on my premiere xl and lo and behold it powered up and i had access to them and the one or two i tried played fine.

    but i'm a g33k and got a wild hair to run setup again and try to optimize things for not having a cable card and a better tv. and there's where things went horribly wrong and i'm stuck in the setup loop from hell which everyone has described already. fails about 30-60 seconds in on loading data. i've tried dozens of things and i called tivo today and they only gave me two options. well, three if you count calling back and talking to, i guess _real_ support instead of whoever i was chatting with. one was a retail setup and that would have lost my recordings so i lost the link immediately. the other was the kickstart page and i've tried 51, 52, and 56 so far. only 52 seems to work and it grinds away for 10 minutes saying it's updating my software, but then it fails same place and my software is the same: 20.3.8-01-2-758.

    i no longer have a pc. i used to use a python program on my mac to interact with my tivo, but i doubt it's still supported.

    do i have any more options other than the imaging you guys are talking about or buying a new drive? i've swapped and replaced drives from back in the good old replaytv days so i might be able to handle the hardware aspect. but i can't use a pc to do anything at all.

    many thanks for any help. /guy
     
  18. Jun 30, 2020 #98 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Buy a new hard drive but ggsieki can assist further with creating an image the question is can he help get your recordings backed up with the dvr barz software and send you a fresh image and then would you be able to restore your recordings to that image because tivo desktop will not work to back up the recordings and tivo py won't be able to transfer back to the corrupted software as for new hard drives get a western digital red drive and I woukd recomend a 3 tb or greater but your software is corrupted because tivo shut off the servers to update that software and can not deploy the servers, but i am surprised your software can not update if it has only been 2 years, as my original hard drive had not been plugged in since 2015 and I had copied it last year and it deployed all the software updates to that copy and I just plugged in my 4tb drive that had not been plugged in since last year and it updated the software fine on that drive ,as for your computer situation you need a new computer before you can do anything you can find what you need at microcenter com concerning hard drives or components to even build a computer if you live in the us, in my case i had copied my hard drive a few times before it became corrupted which was a good thing, but maybe you should build your own pc i just built a custom asus desktop that cost 13,000 dollars to build from microcenter and this machine if asus made it out of the box would cost almost 2500 dollars, the next question is did you ever get a software key for tivo desktop plus if so you will need that and you will need to download tivo py or tivo python to be able to transfer recordings back. But you have even more of a challenge than me unless you ever copied that drive to other drives using the now outdated jmfs software from 2010.
     
  19. Jun 30, 2020 #99 of 160
    gabrielstern

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    Should say 1,300 dollars not 13 thousand dollars but I am surprised you are having that issue but maybe you hard drive is failing does the screen when it boots up switch to looking like the tivo bolts classic screen after showing the original screen, before hydra became the platform or does the screen still look like the 2014 or 2015 software platform.
     
  20. gabrielstern

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    Do you still have your Mac computer if so their might be some hope if you have tivo desktop plus installed and tivo python can be installed on a Mac but if you still have your Mac and it has the python program you are mentioning you might want to use that to try and interact with your tivo and see if you can fix the software glitch then i woukd strongly recomend getting a new hard drive and getting mffs 3.2 and burning it to a cd which works in a linux environment and utilizing that program to copy the drive but only if and when you can get the software glitch fixed.
     

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