Help me write the 20.2 Release Notes

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. Jan 10, 2012 #61 of 146
    sbiller

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    FWIW, I did some research as to the level of release notes typically provided by software / service vendors. It does run the gamete from none to a very detailed list tracked to customer problem report numbers.

    My conclusion -- what Margret is offering is reasonable (and desired)! Supplementing what was already released to the public via the TiVo Press Release with additional details such as the "White Icon" I just posted to the other thread are subtle details that may only be of interest to users on TCF but provide a comprehensive list of changes including the rationale for the change.
     
  2. Jan 10, 2012 #62 of 146
    Ed_Hunt

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    Sorry, I didn't miss anything. I understand there may be additional work involved and that is the jest of my original post. It comes across as hey... I'd appreciate you doing my homework. As far as stating one's take it was requested in her post.[/QUOTE]

    Just for nothing but it is "Gist" not "jest".
     
  3. Jan 10, 2012 #63 of 146
    steve614

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    That just highlights what is new. I bet everyone gets a message on their Tivo that says the same thing once the software is fully deployed (Remember when we used to get those after every new software release?).

    True release notes should also include changes and fixes.
    For example:
    VRD TV Suite release notes
    AnyDVD Changelog
     
  4. Jan 10, 2012 #64 of 146
    matt@thehickmans

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    Some changes I have noticed:

    1. progress bar redesign makes it prettier
    2. a. in the GUI 'find by call sign' now integrated into & replaced by search
    b. in SD 'find by call sign' now allows alpha entry using slide remote
    3. Now able to choose tuner to view in live TV using the information (formerly channel) banner menu. Especially useful if you have more than 2 tuners (Q, Elite, Virgin..)
     
  5. Jan 10, 2012 #65 of 146
    Charles R

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    :) Actually, it's not. It wasn't meant mean spirited... as in it was said in jest.
     
  6. Jan 10, 2012 #66 of 146
    Saberj

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    One question I have involves a small nitpick for me. How come when I'm watching a show, and I hit the Tivo button, the audio stutters before it picks up in Tivo Central. Same thing happens when you go back to your show VIA Zoom or Live TV. However, in the new update, there is zero audio stutter when watching a show and hitting the Guide button. It also takes you to a new screen, but it does so without that hitch.

    Is there any chance that the Tivo Central screen could be updated to use that same sort of transition sometime in the future? It's just a second, but if you are watching something, it's enough to make you miss what is being said for a couple words. It sort of throws off the benefit of that PIP being there to begin with. I can't continue watching my show, I have to either pause it, or deal with the fact that I just missed something that was said.

    I'm a bit OCD like that. :)
     
  7. Jan 10, 2012 #67 of 146
    Frank Furter

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    I will start compiling the notes at a standard rate of $90 per hour. Please let me know where to start sending in my invoices.....

    I seldom post, but couldn't control myself this time. I was shocked that Tivo would come on here and pat us all on the back and ask for notes. Are you kidding me? How does Tivo not have this? Which scares me even more (but makes complete sense when you think about it). It's no surprise that after all these years of little-to-no progress that someone from TiVo would come here and ask US to do THEIR work.

    TiVo, enjoy being the only kid on the block. While TiVo is no doubt the best available right now, all it will take is someone like Apple to come along and decide they want a piece of this, and Tivo will be a sidenote in a Wikipedia page.

    In all my years of tech (reading/working/developing/analysis), I have NEVER seen a commercial company ask for the (paying) users to develop their release notes. If this was Chrome or something like that, I could understand, but sheesh. This is a new one.
     
  8. Jan 10, 2012 #68 of 146
    ncted

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    :p
     
  9. Jan 10, 2012 #69 of 146
    beejay

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    I hope Margret is enjoying reading her thread.

    She offers us additional information if we identify the changes we think are significant. Most people in this thread seem to take offense at that offer.
     
  10. Jan 10, 2012 #70 of 146
    ncted

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    Yeah, that attitude seems contrary to the name of the site. Hardly community-minded. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Jan 10, 2012 #71 of 146
    Innerloop

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    Oh I'm sure she learned her lesson and regrets ever starting the thread.

    Sad, but alas predictable.
     
  12. Jan 10, 2012 #72 of 146
    L David Matheny

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    I doubt that she's that easily offended. She does have to deal with the public, after all. And she knows some of us can be jerks sometimes.
     
  13. Jan 10, 2012 #73 of 146
    smbaker

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    Well, if that was what she meant, then she should have offered to help crxssi maintain his unofficial release notes. ;)

    Instead she offered for the community to help her create Tivo's release notes. Regardless, the distinction is relatively minor. Release notes are a good idea regardless of who does the work and who puts the final stamp of approval on them. Learning the motivation behind the changes is a useful thing.

    She has a major position at a major corporation. I'm sure she can deal with whatever we throw her way and doesn't need to be coddled.
     
  14. Jan 10, 2012 #74 of 146
    lessd

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    But she should be respected as we are getting more feedback from her than we have gotten for years from TiVo employees, it may not be perfect but it a lot better than no feedback at all.
    And she did have our TP updated if you sent her a E-Mail, and I for one really appreciate that as I got the last three of my TPs updated Monday night so all four are on the same software.
     
  15. Jan 10, 2012 #75 of 146
    Frank Furter

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    Well, here's the sad thing about that statement. Tivo users (me being one of them) are so starved for attention from the vendor in both inventiveness and responsiveness that they'll fall all over themselves whenever a Tivo employee shows up.

    You need to step back and think about what's going on here. Can you imagine Apple, or Vizio, or Western Digital, whoever, going to a user forum and asking the paying users to submit release notes for a software update? I'm having a hard time understanding what makes Tivo the hero here.

    I've told everyone who'd listen about Tivo for years and years. I've snapped up each new model as it came out, even the ridiculously priced wireless adaptors(!). I've patiently waited while we saw VERY little innovation past the first major release, even to this day. I've been a loyal paying customer for nearly a dozen years. Yay for me.

    BUT, I think it's bad practice to ask US to help them. As many others have pointed out, you can't have a working code management system and not have documented notes. If they don't, is it any wonder that they release crappy update after crappy update?

    I tried to use Rhapsody on one of my Tivo's last night (non v20.2) - what a nightmare. It reminded me of all the things that are wrong and have been wrong with Tivo for years. And then they waltz in here playing the hero, and the poor loyal Tivo masses lap it up like candy. This would be unacceptable in almost any other industry, and I think speaks volumes for the state of Tivo.
     
  16. Jan 10, 2012 #76 of 146
    smbaker

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    I haven't seen anyone openly disrespect her. Disagreeing about the process is not disrespect. As I've said a few times in this thread, more openness is a good thing.

    She is an employee acting in furtherance of Tivo corporation's goals. I think she's on the right track in a number of ways, and she will do her company service by utilizing this forum which is an incredible resource to the company. That doesn't mean we get down on our knees and bow to the benevolent Tivo for finally paying the community some attention.
     
  17. Jan 10, 2012 #77 of 146
    bradleys

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    Then you are not reading the same thread I am... It is interesting how big an ass someone can become on an anonymous internet thread.

    I suspect this openess is going to be rather fleeting... She has no obiligation to engage on this fourm.

    Can you imagine Apple, or Vizio, or Western Digital ever coming on an internet forum and answering questions? She offered to explain and discuss any features we wanted to talk about.... And we shove a big s*** ball in her face.

    Not really a community I am very proud of being part of.
     
  18. Jan 10, 2012 #78 of 146
    Frank Furter

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    What community is that? The "Do the work of Tivo's documentation and development team for free" community?

    I'm all for Tivo coming on here and engaging users to get feedback and ideas. Personally, I'd rather see her ask *her* employees to provide this information. You *do* know Tivo is not open-source, right?
     
  19. Jan 10, 2012 #79 of 146
    bradleys

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    I do... I also know that TiVo has made a decision not to publish release notes. That is a business decision. So we have Margret willing to work with us and answer some questions - but you feel a nasty wisecrack is the best response.

    You are all for TiVo engaging as long as it meets YOUR idea of appropriate engagement. If it does not - I think we can see what your response will be. All hail the omnipentent one!
     
  20. Jan 10, 2012 #80 of 146
    Frank Furter

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    Nasty wisecrack, eh....

    Could you at least explain to me why you think it's acceptable for Tivo to ask paying customers to provide the release notes?

    Or asked another way, why is it not ok to expect Tivo to provide these to us?
     

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