Help me write the 20.2 Release Notes

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. Jan 8, 2012 #1 of 146

    TiVoMargret VP Product Dev & Chief Design Officer, TiVo

    Feb 2, 2008
    Silicon Valley


    Hi all!

    I promise I will put together Release Notes for our new 20.2 software update for the TiVo Premiere series, but I need your help.

    Please use this thread to list all of the changes you've found. (I've had this software so long, I don't recognize all of the new things!)

    I will then organize them, and add some commentary as to *why* we made the changes.

    If you have topics/questions you'd like to see covered in the Release Notes, please list those too. I'll do my best.

    Sound fair?

  2. Jan 8, 2012 #2 of 146

    mmf01 Member

    Jan 31, 2011
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    comma splice

    comma splice Member

    Feb 4, 2010
    This is awesome! TiVo is back!
  4. Jan 8, 2012 #4 of 146

    compnurd Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2011
    Release Notes, not issues log
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    ncted A leaf on the wind

    May 13, 2007
    Durham, NC


    Release notes typically include resolved issues as well as known issues.
  6. Jan 8, 2012 #6 of 146

    andyf Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    If you change channels via the guide the medium banner should come up, but if you just bring up the guide and then close it the small banner shouldn't come up.

    With the mini-guide if you change channels only the small banner comes up, not the medium banner. But if you clear it neither banner comes up.

    A little inconsistent there, I would expect the behavior of the guide and the mini-guide to be the same when changing channels or just clearing the guide.
  7. Jan 8, 2012 #7 of 146

    andyf Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    The Delete Confirmation dialog box at the end of a show is now in HD instead of SD.
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    danjw1 Member

    Sep 13, 2005
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    PedjaR Member

    Jan 4, 2010
    Cary, NC
    In HDUI, select a series recording, then go into "Explore" menu, then "Episodes". In 20.2 it has a toggle Available/All, with Available being the default; if I remember correctly, older version only had All. This is rather handy, as the Explore submenu was (for me) already the main (feature-wise) advantage of HDUI over SDUI, and now it is better.

    A clock in several screens, nice.

    And, of course, the main changes everybody knows about:
    - HD guide and banners; finally another reason to have HDUI.
    - new background for SD screens, makes switch to them less annoying.
    - slightly different Discovery Bar
  10. Jan 8, 2012 #10 of 146

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2001
    Sounds great.

    1. New HD Grid Guide and live Guide with indicators for scheduled recordings, single check mark for manual recordings, two check marks for season pass scheduled recordings, and red for currently recording. You can sort by Channel number or Channel Name.
    2. New HD Miniguide
    3. Streaming is enabled, will go live with official roll-out. You will of course need multiple Premieres and will not work with S3 or TiVoHD. Wired connection is recommended.
    4. At the bottom of the TiVo Search results, you will now have an option to create a wishlist for the search item.
    5. Search now includes channels so you can search for NBC for example and it will list any channel with NBC in the title. Selecting this result will take you to Live TV. If all tuners are recording, it will prompt you just like if you tried to change the channel during a recording.
    6. New Discovery Bar. The Discovery Bar now contains 4-6 items and cannot be scrolled. All items on the Discovery Bar are now labeled so you know why it is up there.
    7. New delete screen in HD when using the HDUI. Also there is no longer a confirmation sound prior to the delete screen appearing.
    8. Clock has been added to TiVo HD menus

    Questions. I realize some of this probably can't be answered.
    1. Will we see filters return to the Guide?
    2. Any chance we will see other indicators in the guide like shows that won't record or conflicts, shows with a season pass, shows with thumbs up only?
    3. Any chance the spoiler window in the Guide can be disabled if you have the preview window turned off? This is mainly if I am not watching live TV or a recording. If I just hit Guide while in My Shows or TiVo Central ideally there would be no preview window.
    4. Any chance there could be an option to disable the labels on the Discovery Bar? I understand why they are there, but the new images are more dull with the labels. Also it has caused some odd wordwrap with shows like SeaBiscuit.
    5. We seem to have lost the ability to thumbs up or down shows on the Discovery Bar without actually selecting them now? Any chance this could
    6. Any chance streaming will work from the PC for at least transferred recordings?
    7. Any chance someone from TiVo can answer any of wmcbrine's metadata questions? Would love to have access to all the Metadata with pushed recordings.
  11. Jan 8, 2012 #11 of 146

    bbrown9 Active Member TCF Club

    Mar 12, 2011
    Release notes? I'm so happy I just might cry! :)

    Margret, you're the best!
  12. Jan 8, 2012 #12 of 146

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    Release notes are nice and I'm sure will be welcome by the community.

    However, the community is being asked to provide the data based on observation rather than the developers based on implementation? Isn't this data part of every sane revision control system on the planet? I can't imagine someone saying "I just released and update, now please tell me what I updated"... It's just weird.

    Part of what makes release notes or a changelog valuable is that it would contain changes that we don't know about.
  13. Jan 8, 2012 #13 of 146

    davezatz Funkadelic

    Apr 18, 2002
    Fairfax, VA
    * Right arrow no longer cycles through three channel bar options
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    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

    Apr 5, 2010
    Margret, I applaud your willingness to participate and supply information! However, in this case, it seems it might be redundant, since I am already doing this (announced before your thread): Like I did for the last version. Of course, it takes me many hours, and I would love to hand it over to you, if you like ;)

    I think what people would love to see from TiVo is an official changelog based on internal documents of software changes, not something gathered from the community and then posted back to the community. Know what I mean?
  15. Jan 8, 2012 #15 of 146
    Charles R

    Charles R Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2000
    I find this request endearing and embarrassing at the same time. A company actually requesting customers to produce documentation for them. Should we process our own monthly fees for you as well? Or perhaps I'm sorry I haven't been keeping you abreast (for years) but if you tell me what's going on with my company I'll let you read about it. :)

    And 30 posts in four years makes me a little hesitant to think it's a new dawning.
  16. Jan 8, 2012 #16 of 146

    SafariKC Weeeeeeeeeeee

    Mar 6, 2000
    Stow, MA, USA
    I think the classification of "embarrassing" is unfair. Not many consumer tech companies give detailed release notes, sure there is a source control system, and bug system/issue tracker, internal tech doc. But if you look at what most companies do for their users it's very high level. If this was an apple release it would say "Stability and Performance enhancements, new HD Guides, adds Streaming capability between premiere boxes (to be enabled at a later date), streamlined discovery bar". And there would be no dialog at all.

    What Margret is offering is great - fun - and interesting to get some behind the scenes (story teller/music artist style) - here's what we did and an offer to learn from us what we find most important.

    The simple truth is, it's been a LONG while since we got a major update to the TiVo platform - and TiVo has been using this code base or somethinglike it for a while with Virgin - so the merge probably does make it hard for them to build a great user experience from -> to. This is a win-win if you ask me. Change to learn more and set a new bar for transparency for the next iteration... Which I suspect will come sooner than we think.

    Looking forward to seeing the changelog thread updated by Margret - lots there already, imagine how awesome it will be with her direct help too?

  17. Jan 8, 2012 #17 of 146

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2001
    I think it is a combination of several things.

    They have a new head of Corporate Communications.

    They have been running multiple versions so while yes 20.2 is new to us, many of the updates were already in the Virgin TiVo. As a result they have been internally working with 20.2 at least since September 2011.

    TiVo in the past has never really released a changelog. There is an old post from TiVoPony in the past even stating some of the thinking behind why they don't. Unfortunately I can't find the post today.

    As far as her post count if you look, half have been in the past week. I think this is a sign of changes.

    I think the response from the community, here and on Twitter, has also been a positive sign. I believe she even mentioned to someone as a result of the response they plan on trying to have the priority sign-up page active next release.

    In the past the community, mostly here but also on Twitter, hasn't been the most friendly to TiVo employees. Also consider she has been one of the more public employees while not as much on here prior to now, but definitely on Twitter. She responds a majority of the time on Twitter. This is also as she pointed out in another thread that this is the first release she has run.
  18. Jan 8, 2012 #18 of 146

    sbiller Active Member

    May 10, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    2x performance due to new multi-threaded flash player?

    Different view if what's playing on the other tuner(s). Elite looks better than the 2-TUNER premiere.

    New play buffer bar with color TiVo on left

    Search includes Hulu Plus results (coming soon)

    Simplified filtering options?

    New HD dialogues for tuning adapter and hdmi related messages.

    Different program info banner when changing channels versus mini-guide versus right arrow info.
  19. Jan 8, 2012 #19 of 146
    L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

    Jan 29, 2011
    SE Ohio
    In an ideal world the programming staff would take the time to write copious notes documenting all the changes they've made, but I've never seen a world like that, have you? I'm sure TiVo's programmers have been busy just trying to get ahead of the curve lately. I would like to think that TiVo has noticed that they have a great resource here in TCF, and that they're trying to engage it productively. And if they ask us, they'll get input on all changes that have occurred, not just on those that were intended.
  20. Jan 9, 2012 #20 of 146

    djwilso Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Phoenix, AZ
    When pressing SELECT, a new miniature guide appears.

    Aside from not being exactly intuitive, a side-effect of this new behavior is that any remote sequences that depend on the SELECT-PLAY-SELECT behavior now become exceedingly difficult to enter.

    The only way that I have been able to enter the sequences is while viewing a video in the Showcases menu, where SELECT does not display the miniature guide.

    After enabling the on-screen clock using the SELECT-PLAY-SELECT-9-SELECT [CLEAR] remote sequence, the clock position has been moved into the center of the screen, which makes the clock unusable.

    I have been using the clock for many years. Please move the clock position back to the lower-right corner of the screen, and please be mindful of overscan of older HDTVs.

    It sure would be nice if the clock was an option in the Displays setting menu.

    Thanks for all of the improvements in this new release.

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