Help me upgrade my Roamio OTA's HDD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Keatah, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. tommage1

    tommage1 Well-Known Member

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    Well I'll put it to you this way. I have 4 "basic" Roamios with 3-4TB drives, been using for years (just CMR drives, nothing fancy with specialty firmware). Power supplies, just the standard 12v 2A. I do use some 8-12TB drives, with those I upgraded the power supply/AC adapter to 3-3.5A ($10-15). I WOULD avoid the external add on, another point of failure, have the main and the flash drive already. The Purple and the Red have 3 year warranty. Heck if cost is no object you could actually try a Gold, WDs best drive, 5 year warranty.

    Bottom line, maybe I've been lucky but my Roamios have been solid for a good amount of years (3-4). Have not had a drive failure (knock on wood), I did have to replace a power supply/adapter once. Many people have old model Tivos with drives that have been working for over 5 years (myself included). And finally, one big advantage to a Roamio, you can keep backup drives, can swap around drives whenever you want (as long as on same OS, TE3 or TE4). If worried about drive failures just clone the drive every 3-4 years and keep the original as a backup. Good luck, might be actually thinking too much, 3-4TB 3.5" CMR upgrades pretty standard, rarely do I read about a Roamio drive failure, Bolts with 2.5", well...............................

    Edit:

    The Gold is a 7200 RPM drive I think. Some people say not to use 7200 in a Tivo because of heat issues. I have used 7200 myself with no problems. 5400 "safer" though I guess.
     
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  2. tommage1

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    Actually make that 3 Roamio basics. The 4th is a Roamio Plus with a 4TB. The Plus has an internal power supply, not an AC adapter. Never had any power supply issues, in fact the Pro (which is the same as a Plus other than larger drive) came standard with a 3TB drive.
     
  3. Keatah

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    Ok, what would need to be changed on a WD30EURX Green AV drive?
     
  4. ThAbtO

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    Intellipark, and Power-up-in-Standby. It must be done connected by SATA to the MB. You would need to download the Ultimate Boot CD image and burn a bootable CD.
     
  5. Keatah

    Keatah New Member

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    I have UBC in my toolkit. Not sure I want to go that much into it.
    So I guess Red or Purple then. I just wish there was a more agreeable consensus because I feel that important details are being left out.
     
  6. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    There is nothing else much to do to get a EFRX or PURX/Z to work in a Tivo. No image needed for Roamio or later models. Up to 3TB just to swap and drop in to working state.
     
  7. ggieseke

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    There was one batch of WD20EURX 2TB AV Green drives that accidently made it into the wild with Power Up In Standby enabled. I have never heard of any other EURX drives that need tweaking. They're really old, so they're probably used and the warranty may already be expired.

    The EFRX Red drives should work fine without any power supply problems (my basic Roamio has a 4TB), but they're getting hard to find. The 2-6 TB EFAX drives that are being sold now use SMR technology that doesn't play nice with TiVo. If you do run in power issues the 3A wall wart for Bolts is cheap at the TiVo store.

    The PURX or PURZ Purples are AV rated, but TiVos don't use any of the firmware features like AllFrame. You can ignore any reviews or concerns abut the number of streams supported, etc. Weaknees sells them and many members here have used them successfully. The 8-14 TB versions are 7200 RPM instead of 5400 RPM, so they may be noisier and generate more heat.
     
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  8. tommage1

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    Like I mentioned, don't over think it. Any name brand CMR (not SMR drive) should work fine. Questions come down to warranty and current vs discontinued model drives really (maybe price but you said you don't care much about that). Of the 3 drives you are considering the Purple is the only current model, the 3TB EFRX Red has been replaced with the EFAX which is SMR and is NOT recommended. This site is rather handy for determining if a drive model is CMR or SMR.

    The HDD Platter Capacity Database

    Just do it IMO, with a Roamio you will have the original as a backup in case anything unexpected happens. Looking forward to your post 5 years in the future "My drive is still working fine" ;)
     
  9. Keatah

    Keatah New Member

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    Gosh I hated that WD "silently" put SMR in NAS drives.

    So..I'll be ordering a fan and the WD30EFRX in my next Amazon order. Sometime in the next week or so. Promise not to bother anymore about drive selections.

    Now. I got an idea how to copy the 1TB to 3TB with mfscopy. My next question is will it grab all the TIVO's settings? Or will there be stuff we need to program back in or redo over?

    Again thanks to all!
     
  10. tommage1

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    You and the people who bought them, put in a NAS, failed, took 9 days to rebuild. And those who have filed a lawsuit against WD. Also there are a lot of recommendations in the forum here for Reds. Some people bought, upgrade failed, no one could figure out why. Until the news was released that latest model 2-6TB Reds had been changed to SMR. Too late for the people here who bought them, had to return or were stuck with the drives and had to buy alternatives. Time, money and frustration, the lawsuit is justified for sure.
     
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  11. Keatah

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    Is the BOLT power brick the same as the ROAMIO OTA's brick?
     
  12. tommage1

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    it is 3A, Roamio is 2A. So better in case a larger drive might need more power.
     
  13. Keatah

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    The startup current of the Red 3TB EFRX (CMR) is 1.73 A, as opposed to the ~1.2A inrush of a 1TB Green or similar. Extra mass of the platters and/or faster spinup time. Maybe even the initial startup of a more complex NAS drive's processor contributes something too. Many little factors involved here. Factors for which we don't have readily available information.

    In general, 1.73A is too close to the limit of the standard 2A power brick. That leaves 270mA left for the mainboard. A 3A supply has 1.27A left over for the board. Granted most of the board's parts are likely comprised of 5V & 3.3V parts, perhaps other levels for the LAN circuitry.. So, anyways, that 270mA becomes more as the voltage becomes less. Ohm's law and all that. That's enough justification to get a bigger power adapter.

    With that in mind I ordered a 3A supply - NBS40C120300VU.

    Good news is the 3TB Reds have less power consumption when working, 4.1W read/write and 2.7W idle. That compared to a 1TB Green AV-GP drive with 5.5W read/write and 3.3W idle. Standby current is also lower at 0.4W Red and 0.7W Green.

    Granted these are different capacities and generations of drives. And it may seem that a watt or two less consumption isn't important. It is, especially in enclosed spaces with that little shitbox fan they got going.
     
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  14. Keatah

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    My next question(s) would be about identifying the correct source/destination drives once I have them hooked to the PC. I seem to recall there being a command for it but don't remember where I saw it.

    And 2nd, can I use USB ports or do I absolutely need to partly disassemble the PC and use SATA?
     
  15. ThAbtO

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    See Post #11.
     
  16. Gerardo Rivera

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    i just updated my tivo roamio OTA last sunday with the 6tb hard drive everything was find apparently there's a list with the recently deleted channels that i can't delete. my recordings won't last a day after a day they just dissapear without even a trace. i really don't know what to do. there's no one who can help me on this?
     
  17. ThAbtO

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    Roamio update

    Duplicate post and reply.
     
  18. Keatah

    Keatah New Member

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    Just got all the parts, fan, drive, and torx tools.. It's not my personal Tivo, it's the wife's. Shows cannot be lost and everything has to go right without messing around later on.

    This delete thing (post36) has me concerned now.

    If this was my box I wouldn't be so anal about it all.
     
  19. Keatah

    Keatah New Member

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    Recap:
    I'm in the process of trying to upgrade a ROAMIO|OTA from 1TB to 3TB. I want to keep the original programming & shows. And have the original 1TB and replacement 3TB HDDs hooked to my PC.

    Problem:
    Seem to be getting stuck after the mfscopy command, like so:

    Typing lsblk -o name,size,vendor
    IDs my disks as
    sda 2.7T ATA
    sdb 931.5G WD10
    Good.

    Then typing mfscopy -a /dev/sdb /dev/sda
    ..results in..
    Scanning source drive. Please wait a moment.
    Copy source: Can not determine primary boot partition from boot sector.

    And typing bootsectorfix /dev/sda
    ..results in..
    Little endian computer detected
    Error not a Series 5 and later TiVo drive. Signature expected to be 9214 but is 00
    Unable to process drive.

    I've not written to anything to the original TiVo 1TB drive with the PC yet.

    So what am I missing? Is there some sort of prep I need to do on the new drive? It's fresh-out-of-the-box so I presume it's zero-filled from the factory.

    I'm certain the drive assignments are correct sda and sdb. And the original 1TB drive seems to work just fine in the TiVo box.

    Using CD image:
    MFSTools_3.32-devel_openSUSE_Leap_42.1_JeOS.x86_64-1.0.5-Build6.1.iso
     
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  20. Keatah

    Keatah New Member

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    I ran bootsectorfix /dev/sdb on the source drive and that fixed the error which was preventing mfscopy -a /dev/sdb /dev/sda from working. Was hesitant to run it and make changes to the original drive, but was reassured the change isn't seen by the TiVo's OS.
    MFS Tools 3.2

    Disk is imaging now 1TB -=> 3TB.

    Check in later.
     

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