HBO's Watchmen

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  1. hairyblue

    hairyblue A good Man

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    Anyone else gonna watch this? I loved the comic--ground breaking for the time. I also loved the movie too. Very well done and looks great.

    I'm looking forward to more of this universe and story.

     
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  2. Rob Helmerichs

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    I loved the comic. The movie, it seemed to me, completely missed the point. But I have more hope for the show, whose creators seem to understand what Watchmen is more than Zach Snyder did.
     
  3. jay_man2

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    I just set it to record.
     
  4. hairyblue

    hairyblue A good Man

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    They made some changes for the movie, but I think the overall point was there. Or maybe I'm missing the point. lol
     
  5. Philosofy

    Philosofy Super Duper Member

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    I thought the movie was very faithful to the comic: it was almost a panel by panel adaptation. Except for the end, which made a lot more sense in the movie than it did in the comic.
     
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    Agreed. I think the movie was a great adaptation in spite of Snyder. He didn’t understand what he was adapting, but he did it faithfully enough that the ideas still come across.
     
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  8. Rob Helmerichs

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    One key thing about the comic book is that it is a...comic book. Alan Moore wrote it very specifically as a comic, building the structure of a comic book into the story. The way the story flows from panel to panel matters; the physical act of turning the page. The way the covers are integrated into the story. The way you can flip back and forth through the pages (Issue 5 can't be fully appreciated until you read it first page, then last page, then second page, then second-to-last page, etc., to see how its structure really works).

    Now, I've never seen any evidence that Zach Snyder is capable of seeing past the surface of anything, so he probably didn't have a clue how much of the comic he was throwing out by doing a "faithful" adaptation. A better filmmaker would have made a Watchmen movie that leaned on the language of cinema as strongly as the comic leaned on the language of comics. That's one reason why for decades better filmmakers tried and gave up doing their own adaptations.

    As for the ending, yes, superficially the movie ending is more satisfying than the comic. But it only accomplishes that by completely missing the point of the comic ending. Moore had Veidt set up a conflict between the human race and an alien threat to force the human race together (including the Watchmen). By making the fake threat a framed Doctor Manhattan, Snyder doesn't force the human race together...he pits the rest of the human race against the Watchmen. Again, a better filmmaker would have come up with an ending that doesn't undermine one of the main themes of the story (I agree that the Space Squid would have been problematical for a movie).
     
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  9. realityboy

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    I agree with this part 100 percent. I think it should have been to superhero movies what the original was to superhero comics. And if it had been, it would’ve been a critical and commercial success. It could have been better, but as a comic book movie, it’s still better than most just based upon the strength of the source material.
     
  10. TAsunder

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    I don’t care about the media differences and what they could have done to mirror the comic format. That’s like 12 orders of magnitude beyond what Snyder is capable of. I thought the tone of the film was WAY off. It’s one of the worst adaptations I’ve ever seen and among the worst movies I’ve ever seen despite being a “faithful” adaptation. The style and tone of the film was basically the exact opposite of the material’s intent.

    I liked it marginally when I first saw it but began stewing on the tonal betrayal and the second time I saw it, I loathed it.

    Based on The Leftovers and interviews I’ve read and the “universal acclaim” it’s getting, I have faith this will be much better than the dumpster fire that was the movie. Not that they are directly comparable since this is set after the events of the comic.

    So yeah, I’m watching this, even though Lindelof might have been literally cursed for making it and seemed one step away from full panic attack while making it.
     
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  11. logic88

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    I've been seeing good buzz about this series so I'll tune in for a few episodes at least.

    From what I understand, they are basing their universe off the comic's ending and not the movie's ending.
     
  12. Tony_T

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    Just watched E1. In what year is the show set?

    Edit: A Wikipedia read leads me to believe its set in 2019, but...
    ...that would make the boy from the 1921 Tulsa massacre over 100 years old. Possible, I guess, but this was the reason I was unsure at first of the year
     
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  13. heySkippy

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    2019
     
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  14. dimented

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    It is 2019. At the beginning when the cop pulls over the Kavalry dude he does a verbal recording stating the date and time. It is 2019.
     
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    could only make it through 15 minutes, not for me
     
  16. vertigo235

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    I don't know WTF it is I just watched.


    But I liked it.
     
  17. TAsunder

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    I enjoyed immediately after I watched. Then I thought a lot about it and read a little and changed my opinion -- I like it even more now! Viewership not so great so far, though. Hope it improves...

    He literally said he was over 100.

    He also asked Angela if she thought he could lift 200 lbs. With the movie he was watching, I'm guessing they might try to imply or directly state that he is/was Hooded Justice
     
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  18. Hoffer

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    I watched it last night and thought it was ok. I listened to a podcast this morning that gave a lot of background on it. Liking it more after that and want to rewatch it.
     
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  19. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    We need a spoiler thread
     
  20. lparsons21

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    I watched it, still don’t know if I like it. It certainly was odd enough.


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