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  1. Steveknj

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    Concerts for some reason, I still like to go to, though I do have quite the DVD/BD collection of rock concerts. I haven't been to an inside concert in years though. Usually I go to the Arts Center in Holmdel or for Springsteen, last two times have been at Giants Stadium and then MetLife. But I love live music. Broadway? I've been to probably a show or two in the last 20 years. It's just too expensive at this point, and I'd rather spend my money on a concert or a sporting event.
     
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  2. jamesbobo

    jamesbobo with a grain of salt

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    True. Pinocchio wishing on a star made more sense.
     
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  3. morac

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    Releasing on HBO Max helped them as I doubt the movie would have had the number of views that it did if it was only released to theaters. It would have probably had a good opening weekend and then the numbers would likely have dropped off dramatically.
     
  4. Steveknj

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    The thing is, views don't matter if it doesn't translate into $$. Would they have made more money with a theatrical release only or was this the best way? Normally, you want to release to theaters, but not this year with everything going on. So did releasing it to HBO Max, offset the lost revenue it would have gotten otherwise? Did it increase subscriptions enough to make it worthwhile? If the answer is yes, than this was a smart thing to do.
     
  5. Tony_T

    Tony_T Well-Known Member

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    Would have helped even more if the movie had a good story.
     
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  7. morac

    morac Cat God TCF Club

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    I meant in a normal year I don’t think it would have done as “well”. In this year $16.7 million in box office revenue and 6.3 million “watches” (half their subscribers) on day 1 is considered very good. Who knows how many people subscribed to HBO Max just for WW84.

    If you take 6.3 million “watches” and assume an average of around 3 people watching and translate that into box office revenue that would have been a one day total of over $200 million which would be record breaking.

    In a normal year I think word of mouth would have kept a lot of people who watched it day 1 this year from seeing it.
     
  8. Steveknj

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    But there are a lot of people, like me, who wouldn't have gone to the theater to see it and only watched because it came with my sub. So you have to figure that's at least a third of the people.
     
  9. gweempose

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    I wonder how much money Gal Gadot missed out on by the movie being released during the pandemic. With potential blockbusters like this, the actors generally agree to less upfront with a piece of the back-end.
     
  10. morac

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    That’s my point. Warner is touting how well (relatively speaking) WW84 did, but it only did well because of how it was released.
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

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    I'm not sure that's true? I've heard that very, very few actors have the power to get gross points, and very, very few other actors are dumb enough to take net points (which are generally worth less than the paper the contract is printed out on) in lieu of hard, cold cash...

    E.g., the Lord of the Rings movies famously never "turned a profit," and thus never paid off on potential net points. Same with the Babylon 5 TV show. Those are the two whose lawsuits pop immediately into mind, but there are many other vastly successful movies that never "turned a profit."
     
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    There was reporting that both Gadot and Jenkins received $10M paychecks with the move to HBO Max.
     
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    I agree that I don't think it's very common for studios to give out gross points anymore, but I've read articles about actors in the MCU movies that ended up making a TON of money because of back-end percentage points. Those movies are so unbelievably profitable that even a small piece of the back-end can equal tens of millions. I think Robert Downey Jr. made something like $100M each on the last two Avengers movies. I just assumed that the sequel to Wonder Woman probably gave Gadot some serious bargaining power since the first film was such a huge worldwide hit.
     
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    That's interesting. So perhaps they had a clause in their contracts that gave them a $10M bonus instead of back-end points if the movie didn't open on a certain number of screens.
     
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    If they want to make WW3 they had to keep the talent happy with this move...
     
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    Haven't seen it (and did I not see the first one), but everyone I've spoken with who has seen it says it's a big disappointment.
     
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    Not really, because if they weren't happy, maybe they could've hired a bunch of new folks who could do better.
     
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    It was not the acting that was the problem. It was the writing, possibly the directing, and maybe the producers.
     

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