HBO GO is being retired July 31, 2020

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  1. Noelmel

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    It has pretty much all of HBO I never had GO but it had everything NOW did plus a lot more. I haven’t noticed anything missing. It works on Apple TV. Android TV ( so the TiVo steam 4k) Samsung TVs just not Roku or Firestick yet due to disagreements. Not everyone with HBO channel gets it free but most like spectrum, Comcast, AT&T depends who you have


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  2. Rob Helmerichs

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  3. mattack

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    Though as I have mentioned elsewhere, HBO Go and HBO Max DO have different catalogs, because some movies were expiring off of HBO Go and NOT off of HBO Max. I don't use HBO for movies as much as I should since I'm paying for it (well, back in Olde Times, I would go to the movies a couple times a week with AMC A List for less than twice the cost of HBO).. but I do check the "leaving this month" list sporadically to see if there are movies I want to see that are going away.. and I noticed the discrepancy after signing up for HBO Max.

    Edit: So obviously, if the movies are there longer, having HBO Max is objectively better overall. Perhaps there are examples the other way.. But I expected HBO Go to eventually go away regardless.
     
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  4. morac

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    AT&T cut a deal with a number of cable providers to provide HBO Max for free to customers who subscribe to HBO. There’s a list at the link below. Charter/Spectrum is on the list, but you still need to use a supported device.

    Free HBO Max: All the ways to upgrade if you already have HBO or HBO Now
     
  5. CommunityMember

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    Denial is the 1st stage of grief.......

    That neither TiVo nor HBO has yet made some soothing announcement about life after death does not bode well for the afterlife you are fantasizing.
     
  6. Tony_T

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    Max has all the HBO content that’s on HBO. Max adds a lot of old shows (Big Bang Theory, Friends) and old Movies and some original content, none of which interests me. As John Oliver says “HBO Max, it’s not HBO, it’s just TV”)

    The reason I mentioned using your phone was to see if you’re getting Max for free with your cable subscription (didn’t know that there was a list online). Like you, I don’t watch on my phone or iPad — I use Roku, but wanted to know if My cable co (Optimum) struck a deal with HBO for Max (they did), but until Roku strikes a deal, I’ll use Go on Roku (or the HBO app after July 31st)
     
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  7. NashGuy

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    I haven't owned a TiVo in a few years now, so it doesn't matter to me personally one way or another which apps are or aren't on TiVo. I'm just pointing out that WarnerMedia themselves state, via the original HBO website, that the HBO Go app will disappear from "primary platforms" on July 31. And it's certainly possible that TiVo is not counted as a "primary platform". Who knows? We'll see.

    One other interesting bit at the link I referenced above is that the HBOGo.com website won't go away until Aug. 31.
     
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  8. NashGuy

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    There's been mixed messaging in the media as to the nature of this new HBO app for Roku and Fire TV. It's been repeatedly stated that it will replace the existing HBO Now app on those platforms. We know that's true for sure. HBO even states it on their website. (They also state that browser-based streaming for those HBO Now customers who haven't been upgraded to HBO Max will shift from HBONow.com to a new page that's part of the original HBO site: play.hbo.com.)

    But a few reports, such as this one at The Verge, seem to indicate that this new HBO app will also replace the existing HBO Go app on Roku and Fire TV.

    "Roku and Amazon users get the HBO app, which only lets you watch HBO content, that’s accessible with an existing cable subscription or by paying a $14.99 monthly fee."

    Meaning that folks like you who get HBO (or HBO Max) via their cable TV provider (e.g. Optimum) can authenticate their cable login in the new HBO app and stream there.

    But if you read HBO's own statement, it doesn't mention anything about their cable TV subscribers being able to use the new HBO app as a replacement for HBO Go. It just says:

    "The HBO GO app will be removed from primary platforms in the U.S. by July 31, 2020. If your provider does not carry HBO Max, you can access HBO GO via HBOGO.com through August 31, 2020."
    So I'm not sure where The Verge is getting the idea that the new HBO app will work with cable log-ins. Sounds to me like, after August, the only streaming options for those who get HBO via a cable TV provider will be the HBO Max app and website. So if your cable operator has yet to agree to distribute HBO Max rather than HBO, you're out of luck on streaming. And if your operator has switched over to distributing HBO Max, but the only TV streaming devices you own are Rokus and Fire TV, well, you're also out of luck. You'll just need to use the VOD platform on your provider's cable box or their own app (e.g. Xfinity Stream app for Roku and smart TVs).
     
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  9. NashGuy

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    Oh, yes, HBO Go and HBO Max have VERY different libraries. HBO Max contains everything in HBO Go plus a lot more. Over 10k hours of content versus about 5k hours of content.

    What I had originally said in my long post above, though, was that HBO Go and HBO Now have identical libraries. They're pretty much the same app but with different logos and different sign-up/authentication procedures.
     
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  10. NashGuy

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    Yeah, best I can gather, the largest cable TV operators who have yet to switch over from distributing HBO to HBO Max are Mediacom and Frontier (the latter of which is now in bankruptcy). They each have 700,000 or so cable TV subs. All of the MVPDs in the 1 million+ club (Comcast, AT&T, Charter, Verizon, Altice, Cox, Hulu with Live TV, YouTube TV) have already switched over to HBO Max. Well, except for Dish, which completely stopped distributing HBO (and Cinemax) back in fall 2018 after an unresolved contract dispute.

    There are lots of small-to-midsize MVPDs (e.g. RCN) that now distribute HBO Max via their membership in the National Cable Television Cooperative, which struck a collective deal.
     
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  11. mlbrowninsc

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    I betting we loose access to the Go app when they kill it. I can log into HBOGO using my spectrum log in, but record most HBO shows from the actual channel. I don’t have a lot of need for the Go app on the TiVo, however Max has a lot more programs and some original show only available there.

    HBO Max app is on my Samsung TV, so it will be just another app I need to use outside of the TiVo. I would love to see everything in one spot or device, but can’t seem to get there completely.


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  12. trip1eX

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    it was always dumb they had 2 brands of the same HBO service. :)
     
  13. NashGuy

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    Yeah, it's been a source of confusion for consumers. But I think the decision to have two separate apps (cable authenticated vs. standalone OTT) was largely driven by big cable (e.g. Comcast), not by HBO's own desire to do that.

    Note how when Starz decided to make their service available as a standalone OTT subscription back in late 2015, they launched a new Starz app to replace their existing Starz Play cable-authenticated app. The new Starz app would serve both types of log-ins/subscriptions. And Comcast rejected it. Even today, they still won't allow their Starz subscribers to use the app, although just about every other cable TV provider does.

    My guess is that Showtime would like to eventually move their cable authenticated subs over from the Showtime Anytime app to their Showtime app, which currently serves only their standalone OTT subs. Would be easier for the company, and less confusing for consumers, to just have them all on one app, under the actual brand name. But my guess is that Comcast would try to avoid going along with that move, just as they did with Starz. Although Showtime would have more leverage given that they're part of the much larger ViacomCBS.
     
  14. moyekj

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    Have had HBO NOW/MAX for about 2 months and ran out of anything decent to watch. Really don't understand how people subscribe long term to HBO. About 1 month a year seems sufficient to me.
     
  15. chiguy50

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    Well, tastes differ and I can not presume to speak to yours, but for many years now HBO has offered--and continues to offer--the most high-quality adult programming of any linear TV channel. (When I say "adult" I am excluding juvenile and special-interest subject matter, which fall outside my own personal areas of interest.)

    Leaving aside feature movies and documentaries, here is just a short list (in rough chronological order based on the most recent new episode) of HBO series and mini-series that I would consider worthwhile viewing and which on their own, in aggregate, justify the subscription in my book:

    Perry Mason (debuted this week)
    Last Week Tonight
    Real Time With Bill Maher
    Insecure
    I Know This Much is True
    Run
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    The Plot Against America
    High Maintenance
    Westworld
    The Outsider
    Big Little Lies
    Barry
    Silicon Valley
    Divorce
    Gentleman Jack
    True Detective
    Mrs. Fletcher
    Camping
    Sally4Ever

    You could add to that list scores of older HBO series (such as The Wire, The Sopranos, Deadwood, ad nauseam) and, of course, their wide palette of feature movies and documentaries.

    Nevertheless, I myself could be tempted to cancel my subscription from time to time--not only to save a little money but also due to the constant plethora of compelling content from other providers--but there is usually at least a handful of ongoing series that keep me an active subscriber. However, since I signed up for the HBO Max pre-launch discount rate of $12 p.m. for the first 12 months, I would presumably lose the discount if I cancelled and wanted to reactivate my sub. OTOH I could then resubscribe via Comcast @ $15 p.m. and then cancel and reactivate at will with the advantage that Comcast will only charge me the pro-rated amount for the number of days in the billing period that the sub was active.

    I hope you or others will find some of this useful to investigate HBO content that you may have overlooked, bearing in mind that it is only a very selective outcropping among many other worthy titles. It also remains to be seen how HBO will fare under the corporate tutelage of AT&T, but I suspect that the future will not match the excellence achieved under previous leadership.
     
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    I received this email from Roku today ...

     
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  17. NashGuy

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    Hmm, I didn't realize that Charter Spectrum has an app for Roku like Comcast does. Just those two providers together probably account for 40% or more of HBO's cable TV subscribers (given that, best I can tell from 2019 reported subscribers numbers, Comcast + Charter had just over 40% of the nation's cable TV subs excluding those on DISH, which doesn't offer HBO at all).

    When you combine that with the fact that the vast majority of cable TV subscribers who have HBO use a cable box with an on-demand platform that includes HBO, well, you can see how WarnerMedia isn't super-worried about the HBO Go app leaving Roku.
     
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  18. PSU_Sudzi

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    It’s all about taste, to me most of their new stuff is garbage but some folks love it. To each their own.
     
  19. OhFiddle

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    I just got the notice about this last night while using HBOGo on my tablet. All these different provider and device issues and constant changes are really getting old. Seems like I'm constantly trying keep up with what content I can actually watch on what device. When I got the Tivo Roamio and a couple of Minis they were supposed to make this easier, but none of the built in apps or the "OnePass" for all content ever worked even moderately well. For streaming services I've used Tivos, Playstation, Chromecast, Firestick, Roku, Android tablets/phones, and my computer. They all have something missing or some compromise. I guess this explains why the HBOGo app on Android worked so horribly... they were planning on axing it anyways.

    So as a Comcast customer with HBO through them and no Comcast boxes, it sounds like I'm stuck with only recording HBO content on the Tivo or watching it on my computer through the Comcast site? In the past when I had a tablet with an HDMI port, I tried watching Comcast onDemand content by plugging it into my tv. But, then got a notice on the tablet that the app wouldn't play video with the HDMI cable connected! I don't think the Comcast apps could ever cast to a streaming device either.
     
  20. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Pretty easy to understand:

    1 new release movie every SAturday.

    Weekly talk/news type shows like Oliver and Mahrer and sports talk show.

    Always have a few original tv series with new episodes.

    Docs/events/specials.

    Rotating movie back catalog.

    HBO originals back catalog.

    That's pre-Max too.
     
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