Have you done an internal drive upgrade?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by MirclMax, Sep 5, 2007.

  1. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

    May 28, 2005
    New Mexico...


    Any internal SATA cable should work fine. Most retail boxed drives will come with a cable, but bulk re-packaged drives will not.

    The backup tool in WinMFS will keep everything except the recordings. Good luck.
  2. alyssa

    alyssa Active Member

    Dec 7, 2003
    Sunny SoCal
    I was pleasantly surprised at my hour & 45 min transfer from a full 250GB to a 750GB hd via the SATA ports on my mobo.
  3. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

    May 21, 2004
    Back in the day, my copy using the linux "dd" command only took about 70 minutes...

    Not sure the drive being full or not makes any difference.
  4. George Cifranci

    George Cifranci TiVo Bolt 500GB - TE4 UI

    Jan 30, 2003
    1. Seagate DB35
    2. 750GB
    3. 98 (plus have another 750GB Seagate DB35 eSata for a total of 198 HD hours)
    4. Did you do any acoustic modifications? No
    5. S3
    6. No issues at all with the drives (running with the internal drive from the moment I got the S3 since early Jan 2007). Nice and quiet. Having nearly 200 hours of HD recording (2 x 750GB) rules!
  5. ChinaBull

    ChinaBull New Member

    Aug 11, 2008


    :up: for WinMFS!! :)

    1. Seagate ST3100005N1A1AS
    2. 1TB
    3. 131 HD / 1241 SD
    4. No
    5. Tivo HD
    6. Just Upgraded with WinMFS - MFSCopy and 2 USB<>SATA adapters, did not Supersize. Everything went smoothly, and the process of copying the original 160G took 6 1/2 hours. The new drive runs slightly warmer than the original, and makes slightly more noise - I can hear the head seek if I put my ear close to the Tivo case. However, I cannot hear anything from a distance of about 1 meter.
  6. mrro82

    mrro82 New Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    I've never uswed WinFMS. Is it as easy as copying the selected drive to my computers HDD and then restoring it on the new drive? I was planning on getting the WD10EACS. Sorry for my dumb questions I've never upgraded a TiVo drive before. I've upgraded my PS3 HDD but that didn't require any extra cables and programs. Thanks!
  7. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

    May 21, 2004
    I believe you can only do a backup to your computer's HD. The backup would not include recorded programs (just seasons passes and settings). You could then restore the backup to a new drive.

    Optionally, you could just connect old and new drive to your computer and do a complete copy (including recordings).
  8. ChinaBull

    ChinaBull New Member

    Aug 11, 2008
    The software is generally just this simple - if you don't need to transfer the recorded shows, you would select and run the MFSWin Backup (truncated), then Restore. It will require about 500 MB of compressed storage space on your computer.

    The hardware can be just a bit more complex than the PS3 upgrade that you did previously. The Tivo case is designed to discourage casual opening, but is not difficult. Here are some detailed instructions - http://www.weaknees.com/instructions/series3-tivo-upgrade-instructions.pdf . Then, you just have to determine how to attach the drives to your computer. If your computer doesn't use internal SATA drives, you will need one USB-SATA adapter for a backup - restore procedure. To include recorded shows, you will need 2 USB-SATA adapters.
  9. kyam

    kyam New Member

    Sep 14, 2006
    Sorry if this has been touched upon, but I have a Series3, and I'm debating whether to add storage via an external eSATA 1TB or an internal drive replacement. I was set to buy an external drive, but I've read in multiple posts that owners using external drives, including those blessed by Tivo, have encountered problems when Tivo upgrades its software.

    That has me thinking that an internal replacement would be best for long-term stability. Have there been any reports of problems with internal drives when Tivo updates its software? Am I correct in thinking that an internal drive replacement is more stable than adding one through the eSATA port?
  10. jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

    Nov 21, 2002
  11. mrro82

    mrro82 New Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    Thank you everyone for the great info. I feel a little better about doing this now. I get kind of nervous thinking about opening up a $300 piece of electronic equipment.
  12. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

    May 21, 2004
    Tivo seems to be giving some a hard time about warranty replacements if you upgraded the internal drive (unlike in the past it seems). Even if you intend to put the original back in before returning. That would be something to consider if deciding between internal versus external during the warranty period.
  13. Voix

    Voix New Member

    Aug 1, 2008
    1. Hard Drive Model WD10EACS
    2. Drive Size 1 TB
    3. Post Upgrade HD/SD hours listed 144
    4. Did you do any acoustic modifications? No
    5. S3 or THD THD
    6. Any Comments? How does it sound? Any problems? After trying two DVR Expanders which both caused lockups and random reboots, I decided to go with an internal upgrade. I am very pleased with the ease of installation, cost and capacity.
  14. virgil1

    virgil1 New Member

    Nov 24, 2006
    San Francisco
    Just upgraded my Tivo HD with Western Digital 750GB WD7500AAKS.
    98 HD hrs
    924 SD hrs
    1. Realize I only have two SATA ports available on my PC. Had to use SATA to USB adapter. I had bought this one a while ago to hook a drive up to my MAC: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E6NGBU .
    2. Open up Tivo HD, take out drive.
    3. Power down PC
    4. Disconnect second SATA drive in my PC
    5. Connect new WD 750GB drive to PC
    6. Boot PC with Hitachi Feature Tools CD in
    7. Used the Hitachi Feature Tool to set to change acoustic level of new drive
    8. Tack out Hitachi CD(so it doesn't boot from it again), Shut down PC
    9. Boot PC with new drive still attached.
    10. after windows starts up, plug in Tivo Drive with USB adapter
    11. Open up winmfs, follow steps in 'Quick start'
    12. Put new drive in
    13. Boot Tivo
    14. Realize had had two of my component video cables switched(faces were blue). Fix it.
    15. Done!
    All in all...about an hour to do.
    I can't hear the drive at all.
  15. lkinley

    lkinley Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Poulsbo, WA
    1. Hard Drive Model: WD10EVCS (AV-GP)
    2. Drive Size: 1 TB
    3. Post Upgrade HD/SD hours listed: 131
    4. Did you do any acoustic modifications? No, it is a CE drive
    5. S3 or THD: S3
    6. Any Comments? How does it sound? Any problems? Absolutely perfect. Buy.com has these drives for a decent price now.
  16. ruinah

    ruinah New Member

    Dec 31, 2007
    1. Hard Drive Model: WD500AVJS
    2. Drive Size: 500GB
    3. Post Upgrade HD/SD hours listed: not tested yet
    4. Did you do any acoustic modifications? No
    5. S3 or THD: THD
    6. Any Comments? How does it sound? Any problems? Not sure yet, just did WINMFS at work this morning, no SATA at home. WINMFS worked flawlessly though so I am sure it will be fine.
  17. stream

    stream New Member

    Jul 25, 2007
    1. WD10EVCS (AV-GP)
    2. 1 TB :)
    3. 144 HD / 1,367 SD (WinMFS supersize)
    4. No need with this drive
    5. THD
    6. Very quiet, and cool (TiVo internal temp unaffected). Best total price I found was thenerds.com (+ fast shipping--have used them several times before :up:)
  18. dagware

    dagware New Member

    Aug 17, 2008
    1. WD Caviar
    2. 1TB
    3. Something like 130/1400
    4. No.
    5. THD
    6. No problems. Quiet. Works perfectly. However, I should have learned more about SATA cards and cables before I bought it, so I wouldn't have bought an eSATA card and cable for an internal SATA drive. :cool: D'OH!

  19. flar

    flar Member

    Mar 17, 2003
    1. Western Digital AV-GP Green Drive - WD10EVCS
    2. 1TB (i.e. 931GB)
    3. 144 HD/1367 SD hours
    4. On this AV version of the drive, AAM was already set to 128
    5. S3 TiVo

    I bought the drive from Buy.com (even lower price than thenerds.net a few days ago), it was shipped in a cardboard cradle to keep it away from the sides of the box by about 3/4 inch on all sides and about 3 or 4 inches of paper filler padding on top. The drive passed extended WD diagnostics and a full "write zero" test before upgrade.

    The upgrade went very smoothly using WinMFS 9.2beta. I had the new drive on an internal SATA bus and the original TiVo drive in a SATA to USB 2.0 external enclosure. The time to do a truncated backup was around 4-5 minutes. The time to do the full copy including all shows using the Mfscopy option was around 2.5 hours. I supersized the new drive after the copy was complete.

    The drive is very quiet, I can't hear a thing, but my environment is fairly noisy in the first place (live in a city near a major street). ;) OK, I can hear faint rumblings if I put my ear right next to the TiVo and wait for a lull in the background noise. Internal temperature is at 45C after running for a couple of hours on a warm day.
  20. Sep 2, 2008 #260 of 417

    stream New Member

    Jul 25, 2007
    Quick update--TiVo internal temp is 43 C with the new drive (vs. 44 C with stock drive).

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