Have we lost our value to TiVo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ereth, Jul 26, 2006.

  1. Jul 26, 2006 #41 of 112
    jsmeeker

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    I do it with a series 1. When I surf, I jsut do it with the tuner in the TV and let the TiVo do whatever it wants/needs to. I use Wishlists, but only lightly.

    HMO? MRV?? Sounds neat. But I've don't even have it. :)
     
  2. Jul 26, 2006 #42 of 112
    jsmeeker

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    I still feel that way. My TiVo has been awesome for all the years I've had it. it does EXACTLY what I expected it to do when I bought it. None of these changes have had much, if any, impact on me.
     
  3. Jul 26, 2006 #43 of 112
    freediverdude

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    Hello all,

    I just wanted to post to reassure Ereth, that there are people like myself, who recently came to this forum to learn more about Tivo and possibly purchase their first one (which I just did- awaiting shipment from Tivo). I am one of those people who hadn't really thought about getting a Tivo or any other DVR up until now. I've had VCRs in the past and never really used them. Plus if I wanted to see a show badly I always just made sure I was able to watch it at the time of broadcast.

    I wanted to respond by saying that I was not put off by the negative threads- they merely gave me more information on what to avoid and the pitfalls, which is the information I was looking for. This forum and community gave me tons of information in deciding which model to get (I decided on the 80 hour dual tuner bundle, so I would only have to put down $30 up front on the box and then only a 12 month commitment at $19.95, plus have the newer box instead of the one being phased out), whether or not to try the network adapter option (I decided to get one of the few network adapters that work with all series 2's off of ebay for less than half the price of the Tivo network adapter, we'll see if that works), and also whether a lot of people seemed to think it was worth it and were long time customers.

    For me, the cable company DVR is not an option, as my cable is in my landlord's name, so Tivo was kind of the other choice. But I am curious as to what makes the Tivo better than the cable company DVR's. As my schedule became more "odd", where I can't really sit down in the evenings during "prime time", the more I kept thinking about maybe a Tivo. One thing I don't see too much of on here are chats about all the features of the Tivo and how they work, and why they are so much better than other services. Maybe that has been beaten to death in years past, but newbies like me are curious. Also I think maybe the typical newbie like me, who maybe isn't interested in the new S3 because they don't even have an HD television set yet, aren't all that interested in the discussion of possible street dates for that, hehe. I do know that one thing that kept me from just casually getting a Tivo for several years was the $200 or more cost of the box up front. Now that Tivo has offerings that make the box free or reduced priced, I think maybe more people might take a chance on it.

    Anyway, sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to say "Hi!" and thank everybody on these boards for all of their posts, which helped me make an informed decision and feel confident that I will be happy with my new Tivo.

    Thank you!
    freediverdude
     
  4. Jul 26, 2006 #44 of 112
    Ereth

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    No, I've never seen a pop-ad. Vaguely remember some rumor mongering about it, but never saw anything concrete.

    As for "forced ads", I don't see how having a menu item on your menu that you don't choose is forcing you to see an ad. Choose it, or don't. I see it as very targetted advertising. Sometimes the Yellow Star has something I'm interested in and I watch it. Other times I ignore it. Much like ads in magazines or elsewhere. I'm not one of those "no ads at any cost" type people.

    I don't know anything about Tivos getting slower. I'll take your word for it. Software updates happen and sometimes things aren't perfect. DDO is slower than before the patch last week too, and they'll be issuing a new patch to fix it. That's kind of life in the computer age.

    As for cheerleaders... that's kind of the animosity I'm asking about. I still love my TiVos. I haven't seen any reason NOT to like them. The things that bother you don't bother me. Everybody is different.

    But somehow there seems to be an attitude that those of us who don't hate TiVo are just brainwashed cheerleaders. My Series 1 would still be turned on if I hadn't taken a lightning hit and destroyed the modem. I've got two functioning DTivos (including an HD-Tivo) and a 'night light" series 2 and I love them all. I haven't seen ANYTHING that Tivo has done that hasn't made me happy. My TiVo still works EXACTLY the way it did the day I bought it. No, I take that back, it works BETTER.

    But it's ok that you don't feel that way, different things are important to you, and that's fine. I just don't get the animosity.
     
  5. Jul 26, 2006 #45 of 112
    Ereth

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    First, thanks for speaking up, and secondly, WELCOME to the Tivolution!

    I appreciate your input, especially as you are precisely the type of person I was thinking about.
     
  6. Jul 26, 2006 #46 of 112
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    I don't know where you got that. There's a whole range from hate to dislike to indifference, all the way to brainwashed cheerleaders. There just used to be more of the cheerleaders here in the past. A bunch of the most vigorous got PO'd over the years and left. There are still some but it's noticeably more sober here than in the past. Of course, PVRs being normal appliances now has something to with that and a bunch of those visitors to this forum probably visit a bunch of other PVR sites too. Until TiVo gets a real deal with a cable company going, like we've all known for years, they're going to become more of a niche product, so you can't expect everyone who searches for TiVo to actually buy one.
     
  7. Jul 26, 2006 #47 of 112
    Ereth

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    Well, I still see most of the brainwashed cheerleaders.

    But I see a lot more of the "What's Tivos excuse this time?" and "Tivo is doomed" type threads than I used to. If it were fatalistic I could probably accept it, but it seems like some people come here JUST to say bad things about TiVo.

    And that struck me that it might be sending the wrong message to potential new customers. But apparently I'm wrong on that, as freediverdude shows, so that's good news.
     
  8. Jul 26, 2006 #48 of 112
    mattack

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    You could go through official channels and get the subscription transferred to a repaired/replaced Tivo.
     
  9. Jul 26, 2006 #49 of 112
    mattack

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    I totally don't get why you would PREFER to watch shows live. It sounds like you haven't found enough shows that you like.

    Then again, I've been using VCRs and for the past several years my Tivos and Toshiba hard drive/DVD recorder to avoid commercials, for around 15 years total.. (and my parents' VCR for a few years before that for a few specific shows, like Letterman, mostly late night stuff).

    If I had more tuners, I would never ever watch things live, except possibly to CHECK whether something was really airing when I expected it.. then wait until it was done or watch something else. (Though with enough tuners/hard drive space, I could pad everything an hour on each side.. but I'd want the unavailable show-editing feature afterwards, that's largely why I have the non-Tivo hard drive/DVD recorder).

    BTW, I sometimes do leave live TV on _as background noise_ or halfway paying attention, e.g. CNN.. but even then, I often watch something else and let IT buffer up a little while so I can FF through commercials or boring segments.
     
  10. Jul 26, 2006 #50 of 112
    BillyT2002

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    Wll I haven't watched any "live" television and very little advertising in around six or so years thanks to TIVO. I don't plan on ever going back to "live" television. ;)
     
  11. Jul 26, 2006 #51 of 112
    jsmeeker

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    I like to watch live sporting events LIVE. Why? Because they occur RIGHT NOW, and virtually everyone is watching RIGHT NOW. I want to know what's going on RIGHT NOW. I can do that and let the TiVo pick up some already produced show that was shot months ago and has been sitting around in the can.
     
  12. Jul 26, 2006 #52 of 112
    rorion

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    It really doesn't seem to me like there are more of these then there used to be. TiVo was about to die back when I bought mine in 1999 according to several threads on this forum. Rather, I think there are just fewer happy threads and fewer new feature proposal debate threads in between them. Complaint threads would get pushed off the first page in just a few hours. Once, a bunch of us on the beta forum even conspired to reply to all the happy threads on the main forum to push the complaint threads down for awhile. Complaint threads disappeared in minutes. ;) I learned a lot here in those days and I think TiVo did too because a lot of the forum ideas showed up in version 2.0.
     
  13. Jul 27, 2006 #53 of 112
    murgatroyd

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    How is that any different than what my S1 TiVo does?

    If the program that is in the buffer has ended, choosing 'record' dumps it and records the show whose timeslot you are currently in, but if you wish, you can back up to the beginning of the buffer and watch the buffer (and save it to your VCR if you like). That sure sounds like 'can be watched byt not turned into a permanent recording' to me.

    Similarly, if you have crossed a timeslot boundary, and press the record button, a TiVo will save what's in the buffer and then continue recording until the end of the timeslot, assuming you have your default recording quality set to 'Best' (which I do).

    Jan
     
  14. Jul 27, 2006 #54 of 112
    murgatroyd

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    Okay, I'll take the opposing view on this one.

    My two Series 1 TiVos are still going strong, and I pay practically nothing for service on them. (I have lifetime on my first TiVo so I only pay $6.95 for my second one).

    TiVo supports the Series one. I can still call in and get Guide Data. All the POTS (plain old TiVo service) -- the stuff I bought the TiVo for -- features still work.

    I have features which I like which the newer machines don't have.

    They aren't upgrading the software so it is stable and I don't have bloatware shoved down my throat.

    My machines are still hackable.

    I don't see anything not to like.

    Sure, it's a bummer that TiVo no longer sells Lifetime service for the boxes, but hey, if they don't make money from someone, they won't be able to stay in business.

    I'm happy with my two Series 1 machines just as they are.

    I really don't get that people whine about the S1 not getting software upgrades. TiVo Inc. isn't like Microsoft or Real Player or any number of other companies I could name, which FORCE you to take a software update or not get any support, then say "oh, your hardware is too old? well that's too bad, you're SOL". As long as my TiVos can still call in to a server and get the clocks reset and pick up Guide Data and do their thing, what the bleep do I care if other people have other software that does something else?

    If I wanted all the stuff you can do with a Series 2, there is nothing stopping me from going out and buying a Series 2. And since I've got the lifetimed box, once I had finished paying for the box, I'd still get a price break on the service.

    What's not to like? I'll take backdoors over folders ANY day.

    Jan
     
  15. Jul 27, 2006 #55 of 112
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    The record-from-buffer feature is "different" by an hour.
     
  16. Jul 27, 2006 #56 of 112
    Y-ASK

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    Hi Jan,

    All excellent points except the 1st point you make. You can't compare your Lifetime with a 2nd $6.95 box with someone who purchases an S1 off E-Bay and establishes an account for the 1st time. It's now a year commitment with a rather large penalty for canceling ($200.00) and $12.95 a month. $6.95 is very reasonable for an S1 that only gets guide data and no updates and if the box is paid for there should be no commitment. That's just more BS from Corp. Tivo. And this goes to the heart of why it's difficult to support Tivo by talking about it to friends and family. What if they don't like it and didn't read the fine print like this guy:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=309151

    So what would you like me to do after all the sales pitch that were made and my best friend purchases the damn thing and then hates it for what ever reason? I'm sure I'm going to get blasted and I'm certainly going to feel bad if he got stuck with the cancellation fee because he went over his 30 days trial. Or he didn't get his rebate because Tivo decide to use some lame ass rebate company. Or he can't sell it on E-Bay because no one else wants to sign up for a year commitment. I value my friendship more than I value blindly supporting Tivo Inc. as some here do.

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  17. Jul 27, 2006 #57 of 112
    Y-ASK

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    No animosity intended, just a response to:
    Dude, there's nothing to figure out. The yellow star is there, in your face, and you can ignore it if you like. I personally feel that it represent forced advertisements and was the start of all the BS. It's being put there (forced) without my consent.

    Now for some Animosity:

    One other thing I really hate about Tivo that goes along with this forced ads theme. I hate it when I get up in the morning and I turn the channel to the Cartoon Network so my kid can watch something while I get ready. Tivo comes along 10 minutes later and decides to change the channel while I'm in the shower. Now the kid is upset and has no idea why it happened and the content the channel was changed to may not be appropriate for my 3 year old, but I have no recourse but to put up with TV Tivo's way. It just sucks. This is by far my biggest complaint with Tivo and their GD ads BS. Why is Tivo Inc. touching my box (not theirs) at 5:30 AM in the morning East Coast time?

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  18. Jul 27, 2006 #58 of 112
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    No matter what "system" is used for watching TV, from a computerized pre-scheduled recording to a manual click of a remote, a viewer is never going to catch everything that s/he might want to see. Basically, I prefer a different way of sifting out what I watch from what's playing than you do.

    If a concept like ReplayTV's ill-fated Commercial Advance worked perfectly every time and could be retroactively turned off when desired when watching TV from the recording buffer I'd use it. But CA is erratic at best. I turned it off.

    I'd rather watch TV live than go out of the way to watch it delayed and then click through commercial breaks. Commercial breaks provide a convenient time to shift attention from the TV screen anyway. And focusing in on every break just to skip through or past it can be excrutiatingly painful over time! Often there will something during a break that, if I see a piece of it, I'll want to go back and check it out. Couple that with the sloppiness of the RW-FF procedure (even TiVo's which has the best offsets) and I end up focusing closely on a whole bunch of shinola that I don't wanna' focus on at all.

    Currently, on the TV I watch most, I use 3 DVR's in a "parallel" recording configuration:

    A ReplayTV with a days long buffer is connected to a cable box which is tuned manually. That ReplayTV is used for its recording buffer only.

    A Series 2 TiVo is connected to analog cable as well as a digital cable box (also feeding the ReplayTV). Unfortunately single tuner Series 2's can't be configured for analog cable along with digital cable, so I "fool" it by selecting analog cable with DirecTV, which is an imperfect solution at best. (Besides not being able to control the STB, many DirecTV feeds are 3 hours off.)

    An LG recorder is connected to analog cable and the cable STB as well. Unfortunately Series 2 and LG have similiar set-up limitations regarding analog & digital cable.

    Both the TiVo and LG's outputs are sent to a DVD/HD recorder w/a 6hr. recording buffer (which isn't dropped by changing channels) and assemble-editing capabilities. Except for being non-intuitive to use the DVD recorder is similiar to a DVR in its capabilities. Normally it utilizes TV Guide+ but that's turned off because in order to gather guide info the DVD recorder itself must be turned off, and that's not what I want.

    Another TV receives OTA through another DVD/HD recorder with TV Guide+ set for OTA Canadian channels. There are only two local channels which can be received OTA, plus seven Canadian. (Canada is behind the US in ATSC OTA; within the next few years there should be a lot more digital OTA available; right now there's only one local digital OTA channel.)

    As you can see, I have a fairly unique set-up. So I like to watch TV "my way"!!! I really don't watch a great deal of TV, but as you do, I sometimes leave the news on in the background.
     
  19. Jul 27, 2006 #59 of 112
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    It sounds like you need to turn off Suggestions!
     
  20. Jul 27, 2006 #60 of 112
    jmoak

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    Is it changing channels for a suggestion or for "service info"?

    If it's the former, well you know what to do to stop that.;)

    If it's the latter, when did they start doing that at 5:30 eastern time??:confused:
     

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