Has Tivo officially given up on thumbsup/down, or is it me?

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  1. Oct 7, 2019 #1 of 26
    pbgalvin

    pbgalvin New Member

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    What I want to do:
    Create a wishlist called "mystery" to grab mysteries known and unknown.
    Thumbsdown on all the stuff that matches that I don't want.

    Doesn't seem to work - records everything that matches, regardless of thumbsdowning shows.

    Any thoughts, or did Tivo kill off one of their best features?
    Thanks.
     
  2. Oct 8, 2019 #2 of 26
    jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    Are you on TE4? Thumbs have no impact on the new experience.
     
  3. Oct 8, 2019 #3 of 26
    exdishguy

    exdishguy Active Member

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    They killed off one of their best features.
     
  4. Oct 8, 2019 #4 of 26
    pbgalvin

    pbgalvin New Member

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    Wow, that's just pathetic.
     
  5. Oct 8, 2019 #5 of 26
    yesno

    yesno Active Member

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    Thumbs are for Suggestions only.
     
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  6. Oct 8, 2019 #6 of 26
    pbgalvin

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    So they are for a feature I don't use or care about and not available for a quite reasonable use case.
    Who is the product manager that made that decision?
     
  7. Oct 9, 2019 #7 of 26
    Mikeguy

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    See (May 30, 2018):
     
  8. Oct 9, 2019 #8 of 26
    Sparky1234

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    Create wishlist then manually delete what you don't want.
     
  9. Oct 9, 2019 #9 of 26
    pbgalvin

    pbgalvin New Member

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    (I'm a computer scientist and software product manager myself.).
    I know software is complicated and there are many aspects that go into decision making. But hard for me to imagine the decision path that lead to releasing a new release while disabling major, useful features.
    Anyway, glad this apparently isn't a permanent change and there is hope for the future.
    Seems to me that if a human is willing to give guidance, that is likely to be more accurate / useful than trying to get some machine learning to do the same.
    I.e. give preference to what the user says (wish lists, thumbs up / down) vs. trying to guess what they want to watch via suggestions.
    But hopefully tivo can get both aspects working.
    One does wonder if there is a financial incentive for tivo recording given shows and if that's why suggestions are active but thumbs up/down are not...
     
  10. pbgalvin

    pbgalvin New Member

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    Yes, that's what I spend my spare time doing.
    Or, I could press the thumbs down button and have tivo stop recording those shows, so I don't have to manually delete stuff....
     
  11. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    ^^^ this ^^^

    The OP seems to be confusing pre-TE4’s thumbs-based Suggestions algorithm with Wishlist recordings. Thumbs ratings were never[1] an input to the Wishlist recordings filters — though I believe the thumbs buttons *are* used, in both TE3 & TE4, when looking to refine the scope of a Wishlist keyword.


    [1] I’m very open to an education on this front.
     
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  12. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Where’s this hope coming from?

    (Ah, perhaps because those quoted responses didn’t include the news that the ability to rate shows using the thumbs buttons was entirely removed from TE4 a few updates ago. Maybe thumbs ratings will return in the future but, at present, the TE4 Suggestions algorithm doesn’t use them.)
     
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  13. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    You are a generous person: it's been somewhere in the neighborhood of a year-and-a-half, now. And if the issue is that big and obvious, how could the new feature have passed beta-testing to begin with and been issued?
     
  14. lujan

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    I personally never used thumbs up or down and one of the first things I do after getting a new TiVo is to turn Off suggestions. I don't care either way whether they keep this or not.
     
  15. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    (still unanswered)
     
  16. pbgalvin

    pbgalvin New Member

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    I'm on the latest, so I presume so. Software version 21.9.2.v4-USC-11
     
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  17. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    "Hope is the thing with feathers." Emily Dickinson, after upgrading to TE4
     
  18. Sparky1234

    Sparky1234 Well-Known Member

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    I get it. I too wish TiVo was more responsive.

    TiVo is a company you hate to love!!!
     
  19. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    You presume correctly. 21.* == TE4.

    And so you can’t rate shows using thumbs, nor are thumbs ratings used as inputs to the TE4 Suggestions algorithm. Thumbs can be used to fine-tune Wishlist filters, but only as controls for setting Wishlist keywords as included, excluded or optional. (i.e. not as some secondary Suggestions-like overlay on Wishlist recording)
     
  20. Wigohwt

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    Save your spare time, you can use kmttg, it's a lot faster. I can imagine a keyword like "mystery" generates a ton of matches in the "To Do" list.
     

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