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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by eman926, Apr 27, 2019.
TonyD79 is correct. It’s gone from the latest release.
Yep, I’m still on this release and using thumbs affects the show or episode rating.
But it’s my understanding that Hydra doesn’t use thumbs ratings for Suggestions ... and TiVo’s solution is to remove the thumb rating mechanism in the latest release, sticking with their alternate Suggestions algorithm.
Not only gone, now the suggestions being recorded are whatever is playing on the tuners you aren’t watching. I must have 100 recordings of Live PD which I Never watch.. yet the info on TiVo’s support site does not reference the change at all.
With the update to the DVR's last Friday, we lost our thumbs up/thumbs down ratings on all of 3 of our TiVo's. Though we don't use Suggestions, we did use the ratings to help us remember which shows or movies we had already watched. I'm so angry this feature was removed. We use it all the time. Users should have been surveyed!
I'm thinking this is yet another reason for me not to make the switch to Hydra/TE4 any time soon. I've discovered numerous excellent TV shows over the years thanks to using Suggestions. They're already inscrutable, though thumb ratings clearly have an impact. But without them, I'm not going to be a happy camper if I made that switch.
This latest update has made Suggestions totally unusable and I'm considering finally turning it off. My TiVo has decided that I would really like the TV show Mom and recorded 37 episodes of it. I have no way to tell it to stop that particular show because I can't give it a thumbs down rating.
I was actually getting used to TE4, and enjoyed the autoskip on Comedy Central, but I could not handle the machine recording hours and hours of crap I dont want to watch in suggestions, with no way to tell it what I want. So regrettably, I just rolled back to TE3. If they bring back thumbs ratings to Hydra, Ill roll forward again.
It is really odd they removed that feature, as it was what makes Tivo a Tivo above and beyond all the other DVR's out there. Stupid decision on their part.
I turned off suggestions a while back. Did Tivo turn it back on? Suggestions is like un-asked-for-advice.Don't need it, don't want it, never will.
That's what I like about Suggestions under TE3: it's advice based on, in part, what you have told it you like, as vs. TE4's basing it on, in part, what it thinks you like based on your behavior--unfortunately, that behavior-based algorithm does not calibrate well.
I am still coming to terms with my amputated thumbs. Scrolling through the weekly "line-up" of movies (to record), with no thumbs designating movies I already know is arduous! Tivo is/was 1st and foremost a DVR. Using it to record some of the "rare finds" in the line up (often played late at night) is 50 times slower. Nearly everything must be read and pondered. Have I seen it? Did I like it? Is it too soon to see it again?
I even spent hundreds of hours transferring my "known thumbs" from my Premier into my Bolt (ONE AT A TIME) because Tivo did not see the wisdom of including them in the transfer of the memory.
Where are their new "% of people who liked it" numbers coming from if not from "our" thumbs?
That’s a good question. Probably other sources. But also, they do know what people watched and can match up things that viewers had in common. Recording a program in the old system automatically gave it a thumbs up.
Thanks. I was able to use their "automatic one thumb" in my searches also. One thumb meant I either had already scheduled it to record or I gave it a thumb when I put it on a "wish list". Either way, no further effort was needed. I went years not realizing how useful thumbs could be.
They already know what you're watching without your permission is creepy as it gets.
OK, I reverted to TE3 last night. Thumbs upped several shows of the same catagory, and enabled suggestions. After 24 hours, with several possible choices that could have been recorded, and 4 tuners available, it is not recording any suggestions. How long before it starts working?
When I recently cleared my TiVo box completely and re-established it, it took 1-2 days for the suggestions to start coming (they hadn't appeared by 24 hours, and came at some point shortly thereafter). When I re-set up the TiVo box, I re-loaded my earlier TiVo suggestions (many), which I had saved previously via kmttg.
Even when the suggestion start to record, do not expect them to be spot on at first. If you are familiar with the music service "Pandora," although, the TiVo algorithm is not as good, you already know that it takes many Thumbs through time before it get to know what you like. You can't force it. The TiVo is like that. It has to have many Thumbs before it gets you. However, for some reason, it's a good concept, but it's old through years of neglect by TiVo's lack of (you name it) Unlike, the "Pandora" that built a music service upon good suggestion, knowing their are many people who enjoy being delightfully surprised.
I also used thumbs up to help remind me if I've seen a show before or not.
Bummed out also about this
kmttg windows software added thumbs transfer feature which transfers all your thumbs could have saved you a lot of time. It probably still works. Great program kmmtg. Once I discovered it, I never used TiVo desktop program again
It still works, as of last month when I used it. Although one poster here noted that it's buggy in what it records/keeps (if so, it got me close enough).
Thanks! I will research this more. I have a Mac? I am a movie fan and a computer novice (can barely type). (I may have even clicked reply to you specifically, incorrectly?) My 10 years of thumbs are gone....right? Even if I started from scratch, would I have to physically cross reference the Spectrum line up to the computerized thumb files?
if the ratings feature is gone, how will Tivo learn what to suggest?