Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 24, 2013 #501 of 3314

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

    Jan 14, 2011
    Phoenix, AZ
    I have upgraded a few Premieres, using JMFS-Live and they all retained the CableCARD pairing.

    Note: I have not done this since Cox AZ upgraded the CC firmware to the latest, PKEY1.5.3_F.p.0601
  2. Aug 24, 2013 #502 of 3314

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    That's what I meant by "(besides never doing the R&R)" R&R = Remove & Replace [the drive].

    True that.

    What I meant by that was until it is known if the upgrade is going to work with no problems. IOW, keep your best line of retreat open in case it is needed. At this point, we don't know for sure that a drive restored using DVRBars will work. Highly probable -yes. Certain- no. May not even be necessary. Worth the risk - eh, not my call. Not sure what I would do in the same position.
  3. Aug 24, 2013 #503 of 3314

    nooneuknow Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2011
    Important Note for amseven11:

    When you connect ANY TiVo drive to a Windows PC, if ANY prompts come up that ask if you want to initialize the disk, or otherwise do something to/with it, JUST SAY NO.

    If you let Windows "initialize" the disk, you'll nuke it. Even allowing Windows Disk Manager to start has been reported to corrupt TiVo drives. Some even say that you shouldn't boot with the drive attached, but instead wait for the PC to boot, and then connect the drive using a hot-plug capable method.

    Why does Windows ask? Because it doesn't recognize the partitioning of the disk as any valid format, and ASSUMES it is just some new disk that you want to add to the system. Initializing it writes a Windows signature into the disk, overwriting anything TiVo that already exists in the space that signature adds.

    If you are wondering how then DVRBARS can be of any use, it is due to it being made to run in Windows, and properly access the drive.
  4. Aug 24, 2013 #504 of 3314

    nooneuknow Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2011
    According to the author of DVRBARS, the Full Backup method is a true raw sector-by-sector backup, which doesn't mess with the drive, and doesn't care what is on it, or not on it. I've been in near constant contact with him since the product's launch (and had been trying to help out before then). He does have a volunteer, but they don't have their new Roamio, yet (or last I knew of).

    Again, the only way we can know a DVRBARS backup will restore properly, is by trying it. If nobody ever tries it, nobody will ever know.

    So, it's still a catch-22 scenario. Risks -versus- rewards (and/or the excitement of the experiment).
  5. Aug 24, 2013 #505 of 3314

    ppartekim Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    Middle of...
    As another Mac/Unix/linux fan that is my general answer to anything Windows. :cool:
  6. Aug 24, 2013 #506 of 3314

    TC25D New Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    You were not accused of being impatient. You were accused of being rude and ungrateful, which you were and for which you said you apologized.
  7. Aug 24, 2013 #507 of 3314
    Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

    Feb 13, 2000
    TiVo Town
    If the I will say the encryption stuff was stored on the flash would there be anyway ito copy it from the flash,on the same line of lame man knowledge... If you have a ESATA [no marriage,flash encrypted]drive connected could that be used has a backup for a internal and the flash would use it's key to allow it to be associated to the new drive.
  8. Aug 24, 2013 #508 of 3314

    amseven11 New Member

    Dec 24, 2011
  9. Aug 24, 2013 #509 of 3314

    ballpython06 New Member

    Aug 24, 2013
    Can the roamio power supply be replaced with a larger one to eliminate the worry about the power use of a 3tb hdd in a base roamio?
  10. Aug 24, 2013 #510 of 3314

    jfh3 Active Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    Denver area
    I'm not worried about the power requirements, but more the additional heat generated. I was going to do a 3TB upgrade, but decided to go with 2TB instead because I don't want to risk the heat from the 3TB frying anything.
  11. Aug 24, 2013 #511 of 3314

    Goober96 Member

    Jun 28, 2005
    Anderson, SC
    Speaking of heat generation, I read in these forums somewhere that the airflow is side to side in the Roamio Pro (which I have on order). Can someone who has one tell me if there are vents on the sides? I have my Premiere in a cabinet that leaves no room on the sides of the unit. Since reading this, I have decided to place the Roamio Pro on top of my AV receiver which leads me to my next question: how high up does it sit on its feet and do y'all think placing it on top of the receiver (which generates a good bit of heat and vents through the top) would be okay? Also, if not, can I place the receiver on top of the Roamio? Is the case sturdy enough to handle that? Thanks.
  12. Aug 24, 2013 #512 of 3314

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

    Jan 14, 2011
    Phoenix, AZ
    The Roamio Plus & Pro is the same size and chassis as the Premiere w/ rear fan.

    Only the Basic Roamio is smaller with side vents.
  13. Aug 24, 2013 #513 of 3314

    Goober96 Member

    Jun 28, 2005
    Anderson, SC
    Okay. Great. Thanks!
  14. Aug 24, 2013 #514 of 3314

    ggieseke Well-Known Member

    May 30, 2008
    Full backups just read every byte on the drive from 0 to whatever. I've used it to backup blank drives (don't ask), Windows drives, Linux drives, etc. Just like WinMFS, don't connect any TiVo drive to a Windows 2000 or earlier box. XP, 7 & 8 are safe as houses as long as you don't open up Disk Manager. It's also handy for creating VHD files for use with VMWare or Windows Virtual PC.

    Full restores just reverse the process, resulting in a perfect xerox copy. Right now DvrBARS won't restore unless it recognizes the backup image as a TiVo drive, but I'll fix that to allow you to continue in full restore mode.

    And yes, I'm very interested in both before and after images. ;)
  15. Aug 24, 2013 #515 of 3314

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

    May 1, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    That being the case, I would not put the Roamio on top of the AVR.
  16. Aug 24, 2013 #516 of 3314

    ncbill Active Member

    Sep 1, 2007
    Western NC
    yes, it would be nice to see temperatures for 3TB & 4TB upgrades (assuming anyone can get 4TB working) for the Roamio Basic.
  17. Aug 24, 2013 #517 of 3314

    jmpage2 Active Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    Well there is apparently no temp sensor, so the only way to get that info would be to install a thermistor into the case for testing purposes.
  18. Aug 24, 2013 #518 of 3314

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

    Sep 21, 2005
    Yes there is. It was posted somewhere around here. It appears under "MBT".
  19. Aug 24, 2013 #519 of 3314

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    What size file do you get backing up a blank (new, or all zeros) drive, and if one back up a new TR drive that was blank, would the file size give us the information that the drive is blank ?
    I will get my TR plus on this Wednesday and start doing some tests then, before TiVo activation so if I do brick the unit all I would have to do is work on replacing the TR and not have to move the lifetime activation also.
  20. Aug 24, 2013 #520 of 3314

    shoeboo Member

    Nov 27, 2006
    Just finished installing a 3tb WD AV-GP in the base roamio and doing guided setup. Been on live tv for about half an hour and MBT is currently 47.

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