Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    That's not funny.

    p.s. Hmmm, may be time to setup a notification. http://camelcamelcamel.com/Red-Desktop-Hard-Disk-Drive/product/B00LO3KR96
     
  2. siratfus

    siratfus Active Member

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    What's the highest capacity the Roamio will take? 6tb, 8tb?
     
  3. philwojo

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    I am thinking about taking advantage of the Turkey Day Special on the All-In Romaio, since I am OTA. I have a S3 and an HD Tivo now, both with upgraded 1TB. So, I am wondering, if I replace one of those units can I just take the 1TB drive out of it and slap it in to the new Romaio?

    I don't want to save anything from the old unit in terms of shows, just looking to upgrade the capacity is all.

    Thanks,
    Phil
     
  4. ggieseke

    ggieseke Well-Known Member

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    6tb
     
  5. ggieseke

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    As long as it's not from a Bolt or another Roamio, yes. The boot sector and partition table on older models won't be recognized by a Roamio, so it will reformat the drive.
     
  6. siratfus

    siratfus Active Member

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    Cool. Thank you.
     
  7. audiodane

    audiodane Member

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    Hello all,

    Terribly sorry, I've been away from this forum for several years. I have an S3 and THD, and only today am returning after taking advantage of the black friday Roamio all-in for $399 offer email.

    I have been on the forums most of the day, but as you know TCF is SO packed with stuff, it's tough to really get basic questions answered quickly...

    So, if you pardon, I think I have only three or four questions:

    1) I have read a few things about a $99 lifetime option on roamio, but obviously my deal from today was $199 roamio, $199 lifetime. While that seems like a good deal, did I actually miss out on an even better deal in October?

    2) I am seeing here two links to HDD's (3TB), a WD30EFRX (amazon, $110) which is a NAS drive, and a WD30EURX (amazon, $107) which is an AV-GP.. Since they're the same price-- which should I buy? Does it matter? Power/heat differences, longevity?

    3) Seems I can just "plug-and-play" the new drive with the Roamio once it arrives. Do I want to activate the new roamio and let it perform any updates before replacing the drive? Does it matter?

    4) Since I've been stuck in S3 & THD + PyTivo for the last several years, I'm a bit behind; some friends suggested that kttmg is probably the best way to get all my old tivo recordings transferred over to my new roamio (so I can ebay the old ones) .. is that a good recommendation, and in doing so do I get to keep folders? (I know when pulling from one tivo to another from within the NPL, it looses folder information, grrrrr)

    I think those are my only questions. Thanks for your time, and I'm sorry to be asking these questions. After several hours of searching with threads going back to 2013, it's difficult to remain "up to date." :(

    cheers,
    ..dane
     
  8. unitron

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    Are the 648 and 652 lifetimed?

    If not, don't let the subs lapse, or no one will ever be able to get service on them again--TiVo changed policy on the S1s, 2s, and 3s about the time the Bolt came out.

    Lifetime, of course, stays with the unit and stays in effect as long as it can still contact the mothership.

    Whether you can transfer a non-lifetime sub to a new owner and let them start making the monthly payment is something I haven't seen a definitive answer to yet.

    As for the drive, I'd go for the EURX. 3 year warranty, intended to be running 24/7/365
     
  9. audiodane

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    Yes, both lifetime'd (for many years now) ... S3 w/ 1TB, THD w/ 2TB..

    Turns out both drives have a 3yr warranty. Otherwise I'd have said good catch!

    I had not heard of the service change on 1-3's.. nor had I heard that I may not be able to transfer them- that was my plan to pay for the Roamio! Looks like I need to chat with customer service again soon. :(

    Thanks for the info,
    ..dane
     
  10. audiodane

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    Just spoke to Tivo support - they said that since the units both already have lifetime service, I will still be able to sell them and transfer their service. It is simply that new service cannot be activated on series 1-3's.. whew! (maybe the price of an s3 w/ lifetime just went up?? :) )

    ..dane
     
  11. singit

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    Just activated a new Roamio base unit purch @Best Buy, managed to get $199 lifetime from agent for it. I see its esata port - can I plug in just any external drive with esata support to it? Any suggested current best deals for good drives that will work with it? Thanks!
     
  12. ThAbtO

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    The only Tivo approved external drives are the 500MB and the 1TB. However, they create more points for failure and loss of recordings since it was connected. Recordings are also spread across both drives for storage and cannot be retrieved once a drive fails.

    Roamio can handle up to 3TB just by swapping out the drives. For up to 6TB, The Tivo software needs to be up-to-date, then it takes a little PC work for that to work. For 4-6TB, there is a program called MSFR, but you would have to copy shows to another PC or Tivo before upgrading. MFSTools 3.2, is still not perfect yet and some had issues. Other programs just as JMFS does not work on Roamio.

    For transfers, All Tivos must be subscribed to Tivo Service. PyTivo can be used to transfer PC to/from Tivos.
    The program KMTTG is only Tivo-to-PC transfers, pass copy/restore, etc. Tivo Desktop is getting out of date and isn't free.

    Lifetime Service is now called All-in and is at $599.99, but it still is owner transferable. Multi-service discounts are not available only more.

    Series 3 and under, once activated, will still work to record/play, but with limited functions such as Netflix. Tivos S3 and under, which are not lifetimed will not get renewed for any service plans.
     
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  13. singit

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    I so appreciate your really helpful and very thorough reply!
    Some specific f/u questions (either to you, or the community!)

    1. Swapping internal drives: I'm up for trying it, but is there any risk of "void of warrantee"-ish kind of thing? (Apple has imprinted that on my brain...)
    2. I'm looking for further info re Pros/Cons versus:
    A. plugging an external drive in via the esata port, versus
    B. swapping out the Roamio's 500MB internal drive for a larger one.
    3. Is the only issue with adding a 3TB (or 6TB) external drive losing your saved programs in the case of a disk failure?
    If so (esp as new user w/very few recordings) I can sure live with that rare occurence of a disk drive failure in exchange for a huge increase in storage space (i.e., flexibility).
    3. I'm starting to grok that this TiVo universe has an enormous range of subtleties, largely due to your thoughtful response to my inquiry. Thank you!



     
  14. ThAbtO

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    As I have said, there is only a 500MB or 1TB (only Tivo approved drives work) for external. Failure for these drives are quite common, for which most prefer the internal upgrade. The Tivo expander drives last only about 2-3 years. You would also have to contend with 2 power plugs, instead of 1 for just the Tivo.

    For a larger drives, upgrading the internal is to the 3-6TB drives. Green AV and Red drives are preferred, for using less power and less heat. Other drives would use too much power that the power supply may not keep up.

    For me, I simply lived with the original drive for about 13 months, then upgraded to 4TB.
    Tivo warranty is about 3 months. Its a Don't tell warranty for us. Any problems, just swap back the original before returning.
     
  15. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Why do that to yourself?


    WD AV-GP is generally recommended, since it's the model shipped with the Roamios, typically. I have 3 WD Reds installed and running fine, though; they were cheaper at the time I was upgrading.


    It won't hurt to let the Roamio power-up and check out its features, to make sure it's working before replacing the drive. And not all the effort will be wasted; I believe the software update is stored to the motherboard, so you'll have less to go through after updating the drive. (Also, allowing the software to update prior to removing the drive is required if looking to go larger than 3TB via the mfsreformatter method.)


    I use KMTTG to offload shows, and it works great; however, KMTTG doesn't provide for getting shows back onto a DVR. You'll need pyTiVo or another utility for that.
     
  16. HerronScott

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    That deal/option was only for the more expensive Roamio Plus (no longer available) or the Roamio Pro (still available but total cost is $600).

    Scott
     
  17. enigma9o7

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    I just replaced the drive in my Roamio OTA. Any way to restore my onepass setup? I hoped it would stay intact since it's synced with tivo online but seems not.
     
  18. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    You should've backed it up and reloaded it using KMTTG. You may be able to put the old drive back in and do this real quick, but depending on how many series you had saved it may just be easier to recreate them.
     
  19. audiodane

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    green/red hdd: thanks!

    power-up first: good recommendation, thanks!

    kmttg: Hmm, I thought kmttg was what people were using to offload, remove commercials, and reload back to Tivo? I will certainly look more into that, somewhat off topic for this thread.. thanks!

    awesome. thanks!

    Thanks to everyone for all the replies; Feeling very excited for the new roamio to arrive! will be watching HDD's this coming week!

    ..dane
     
  20. grimlock

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    I'm new to the forum. I just ordered a Roamio Pro to upgrade from my Tivo HD XL. I have the 1TB external drive on my current Tivo HD...and from what I'm reading here, it sounds like it would not be recommended to use that with my new Roamio Pro. So, is there a way to swap out the internal drive from the start to a larger size that a non-tech geek could handle? I've added drives to my PCs before, so I can do basic stuff.

    I'm just curious if there is a quick and easy swap. Thanks in advance!
     

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