Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    Great--thanks for the info.! Do you have the name of the seller, in case he/she offers again?
     
  2. Pilot20

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  3. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Hmmmmmm..........interesting.

    Well, my real prayers to the real God go out to you and yours @nooneuknow! I know we've had our debates but I certainly wish no one any ill will. I am genuinely concerned now. Since your PMs are backed up and I don't want to add to it, feel free to shoot me one if you so desire. God Bless you sir!
     
  4. Teeps

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    Call this number for timewarner cable card support 866-532-2598
    You shouldn't be on the phone for more than 10 minutes and no hassle at all has been my recent experience.
     
  5. Mikeguy

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    Thanks, again--good to have the info., should it be needed in the future--
     
  6. brian1269

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    I got a replacement drive from Western Digital and it worked for about a day before it started having the exact same issue. The TiVo works fine with the original 1GB drive, but not with a 3GB. It gets into this mode where it won't delete programs out of the My Shows list, it doesn't show programs that are currently being recorded, and when you try and play any show it just goes to a black screen. I seem to be the only one having this issue. It just makes no sense that it works with the original WD10EURX but not with a WD30EURX.
     
  7. Mikeguy

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    And so, I wonder, then: time to try out the LiteOn power adapter and see if that fixes the situation?
     
  8. brian1269

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    What is that and what's it supposed to do? Others with a Roamio Plus are running a WD30EURX without any issues it sounds like. I just can't figure out what could be wrong with mine.
     
  9. Mikeguy

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    It's an alternate power adapter that has been suggested for the Roamio, especially with a hard drive update where the new drive may be requiring more power than the original drive. But this generally has been mentioned for the Roamio standard, which has a less-powerful power adapter.

    Earlier posts on this, in this thread.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10431623#post10431623
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10431682#post10431682
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10431968#post10431968
     
  10. telemark

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    Roamio Plus, so ignore the power adapter suggestions, that's a discussion for Basic/OTA.

    Did you use a blank WD drive or recopy over the old drive's data?
    What OS version are you on?
     
  11. brian1269

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    It was a brand new blank drive, both times. Two drives, straight from the factory. 20.4.6a
     
  12. lessd

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    Just to add to another data point, I updated a Roamio Plus (for a friend) to 3Tb and the drive power spec were:

    Original TiVo drive WD 10EURX

    5vdc @ 0.7 amps
    12vdc @ 0.55 amps

    Upgraded drive WD 30EZRX

    5vdc @ 0.6 amps
    12vdc @ 0.45 amps

    So it would appear that the 3Tb drive takes less power than the original drive. :confused:
     
  13. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    What about power for the equivalent 30EURX instead of 30EZRX tho?
     
  14. b-ball-fanatic

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    I happen to have one sitting right here....

    5vdc @ 0.60A
    12vdc @ 0.45A

    So apparently the same.
     
  15. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Sweet!
     
  16. gespears

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    Just a little off topic, but Newegg is having a promotion on WD red 3tb drives, four for 399. It's only for a day though I believe.

    "Off Topic" off. Please resume "On Topic."
     
  17. nooneuknow

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    I still have some periods of time where I can pop on to share (some of) my knowledge. That's the "back burner", as opposed to what's "on ice". It's a fluid situation, subject to change, and with a good chance of an abrupt end to any presence here.

    Hard drive power specs, especially those printed on the drive are misleading. There's more to it, and unless they specify "max", those numbers should not be interpreted as such.

    Here's just a few (generically stated) modes, which should all be spec'd out somewhere, if you can find them (some specs are not shared with the general public):

    Inrush current (part of a cold spin-up from a powerless state, which is a momentary spike, often in excess of any product's power supply rated max).
    Spin-up from cold start.
    Spin-up from standby.
    Idle Mode 3 (platters spinning, heads parked).
    Idle with heads not parked.
    Other idle states.
    Standby (heads parked, platters not spinning, on-drive PCB powered).
    Read (min avg max).
    Write (min avg max).
    Read + Write (min avg max).
    Offline data collection mode (if/when applicable, part of SMART).

    Really, no HDD power specs are etched in stone. There's a Min/Average/Max factor to most, and even those numbers can be estimates/guesstimates, subject to vary.

    A lot of review sites will measure these, whether or not published by the mfg. Don't forget, this is a "generic, off the top of my head" list.

    I can't spend the time to fully explain the 12V & 5V rails, the "inrush" factor, and the differential factors that cause specified current to change (age is one factor). Some drives make very unconventional uses of the different rails.

    ETA: While my use of WD30EFRX (WD Red) drives in three base Roamios should have required roughly the same power as (or less than) a stock drive, or an AV-GP/AV EURX, going by the specs on the drives and in the datasheets, I did have overall stability and reliability issues, before I swapped-in the LiteOn power "bricks". I see some calling them "wall-warts", which is what the stock (Roamio) ones are. I have not seen any signs of of any issues using the Roamio wall-warts for my Tuning Adapters, and they run cooler than when they were running my base Roamios.

    Off-topic content:
    What's "on ice" for me is being a constant source of tech support, participating in debates, arguments, PMs requesting help that would take too much time (especially if they'd help others, if posted in a thread), and keeping up with TCF at the level I used to.

    Thank you, all, who have expressed such kindness/concern. Perhaps I can PM a more personalized thank you to each, if the future allows me the time to do so. I didn't expect responses when I made the announcement. If I had, I'd have made an announcement thread, and just linked to it. I'm not big on publicizing my personal problems in detail, though...

    TC Club members get a LOT more PM space, and PMs are CC'd to my email. It's all just a day at a time, what time I can spare, and knowing things will have to get worse, before they can possibly get better. Popping in just made today a lot better, even if only for a moment.
     
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  18. Mikeguy

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    I wasn't suggesting that a new power adapter such as the LiteOn certainly would solve the issue above--as noted, the earlier LiteOn power adapter discussion was focused on the Roamio standard. But not having a Roamio Plus nor its power adapter, I don't know the power that the adapter provides, and I was wondering if the issue above in fact could be power supply related and if the LiteOn might supply more power than the Plus' own power adapter, possibly to be a solution as with the Roamio standard. Just looking to see if there is a simple road--it's hard to see 2 new drives in a row being defective (although anything is possible).
     
  19. lessd

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    I don't know about Hard Drives BUT most electronic gives the max power rating one could expect, my HDTV has a power rating of say 200 watts, but my Kill-A-Watt meter shows only 125 watts when on, the difference could be the cold start draw, my 3 ton AC has a power rating of 2600 watts, but the cold start is rated at 22,000 watts (or 90 amps), this information is on the name plate.
     
  20. Arcady

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    The Roamio Plus and Pro do not have power adapters. They have a built-in power supply like every other TiVo previously had.
     

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