Hard Drive Upgrade Info

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  1. gespears

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    TA = Tuning adapter. Some cable networks use them to map channels. So you need a cable card and a TA. They can be problematic depending on which manufacture you get.
     
  2. nooneuknow

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    I've pretty much gone through all the data I could find through WD, other sources, my own measurements, and come up with no reason that the Red drives would take more power. Others run them. You just don't hear much about them, as a certain type of person is attracted to the Reds, [for a variety of reasons left out here].

    The WD Purples that WeaKnees uses are also comparable power profile, but also TLER drives. They are cheaper than the Reds, because they are only WD endorsed for 60TB/yr total workload.

    You don't hear many complaints about those either, unless it's the angry replies of those who believed Newegg's (utterly false) clickbait that the Purple is the new model of AV-GP, then see me posting that the AV-GP is the best choice for the typical DIY upgrade installer [reasons why left out here], and if I had to choose something not AV-GP, I'd either pay the extra for a Red, or go cheap with a plain Green, before I'd use a Purple in my TiVo.

    To answer your question that is safe to answer: TA = Tuning Adapter (for tuning channels in SDV cable markets). SDV = Switched Digital Video.

    The TA with the power brick I feel should come with every base Roamio is the Cisco STA1520. The brick it comes with is made by LiteOn.

    I mean, really, start doing the math on just how little 12V@2A (or 24 watts) is, when there are so many things inside a Roamio that all need power, and the CPU load can take more when it's really working hard, which just might coincide with the drive working hard, at the same time.

    Since the LiteOn bricks are often not required to be returned with leased cable equipment using them, there are plenty out there to find, cheap.

    Even if the two were equally rated output, the brick has a shielded DC-out cable, with an additional ferrite at the end. It carries the same ITE listing, but also has an additional A/V equipment listing, the Roamio wart does not. I think you can appreciate all these finer points, that most just would gloss by.

    If I didn't figure I'd get tarred and feathered for it, I'd suggest anybody who happens to have a Cisco STA1520 TA just make the swap, even if they leave the stock drive in. But, I know better than to make such a recommendation, or give such an endorsement. ;)

    There are threads around on these matters, created to try and leave this thread to the bare minimums for Roamio upgrade noobs. I made some, others made some, and there's some cool stuff in them.

    Search for threads started by telemark, which tend to be in the underground and development areas. He's the TCF rockstar who made 4TB DIY for free possible, without ripping off WK's work to get there. I create very few threads, and most of them have gone stale.
     
  3. Mikeguy

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    Thanks for the posts above, with the helpful information. Will have to re-digest it tomorrow, after a good night's sleep, but it gives me a further feel for this corner of upgrades (and despite the bracketed missing info.! ). I did do a quick check at eBay.com for the LiteOn brick, just to get a feel for it, but didn't see a listing for one showing the Cisco STA1520 compatibility, although I did see one for a Motorola device.
     
  4. brian1269

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    The "kickstart 54" S.M.A.R.T. tests on the TiVo itself and the diagnostic tool from Western Digital. When I hook the drive up to my computer using a USB to SATA adapter, it doesn't see the drive. I can only see it in the diagnostic software.
     
  5. nooneuknow

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    The alternate power supply (AC adapter) for a base Roamio (or Roamio OTA):

    For a Cisco STA1520 Tuning Adapter, made by LiteOn, and here are the details:

    LITEON
    AC ADAPTER

    MODEL: PB-1300-02SA-ROHS
    INPUT: 100-120V ~1A 60Hz
    OUTPUT: 12V DC 2.5A 30W MAX.
    PART NO.: 4019611B

    OTHER MARKINGS:
    LPS
    C UL US LISTED
    9T54
    LEVEL 3
    E132068
    I.T.E POWER SUPPLY
    ALSO LISTED AS ACCESSORY-AUDIO/VIDEO POWER SUPPLY

    MADE IN CHINA(B) CM-1

    OUTPUT CABLE MARKINGS:
    E228674 AWM 1185 18AWG 80C 300V --LINETEK-- CSA LL90989 18AWG I A/B 80C 300V FT1 LM

    [NOTES]:
    Positive (+) inner connector, Negative (-) outer shell tip.
    Has molded ferrite RFI choke 1" from DC connector, plus internal RFI choke.
    Uses separable POLARIZED universal 2-conductor AC input cable.
     
  6. Kash76

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    Thanks for sharing all of these details. Should I not just throw in an extra 1TB WD drive into my basic when I get it tonight? Do I have to be worried about the power profile or is this only for the larger drives?
     
  7. Pilot20

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    I had the exact same experience. I installed a WD20EURX drive in my new Roamio Basic right out of the box. The drive worked fine for about a month. Then, I started getting freezing and lots of blue circles. I tired rebooting and it would just keep rebooting itself. I pulled the drive out and replaced it with the original drive and it's been working fine now for about 3 months.

    Western Digital replaced the bad drive under warranty but I haven't installed it yet because it is such a hassle with TWC and setting everything up again.
     
  8. Teeps

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    nooneuknow,
    Thanks for the information on power supplies.
    I remember reading about a possible sup par power supplies a while back.

    In the end, it never hurts to have MO' Power!
     
  9. Mikeguy

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    ^ +1 as well. Thanks for taking the time to look for and posting the info.-- good to have it all in one place. Will need to do some further Internet searching. Although wish that there wasn't this additional sometimes complication.

    I wonder what WeaKnees has determined in this regard. In looking at its 3TB upgrade kit info. for the Roamio (base), nothing seems to be said about the power supply and the kit doesn't include a power adapter, for use along with its 3TB Western Digital AV Line hard drive. Nor does the 6TB upgrade kit say anything about this or include a separate power adapter.
     
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    It's entirely possible you just have a bad drive. Those tests don't always show the errors.

    If others have used this same drive without problems, then it's probably not a power supply issue.

    I'd return the hard drive first before buying an upgraded power brick.
     
  12. Kash76

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    I checked my drive and it is a WD Blue. Should I expect this drive to work in my basic?
     
  13. nooneuknow

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    NO. The power profile, thermal profile, and class of drive, are all just wrong.

    Take some time to read ANY hard drive thread related to upgrading TiVos, and it should be abundantly clear a WD Blue is the 2nd to last drive you'd ever want in a TiVo (WD Black takes spot #1).

    You should "expect" it NOT to work, in most TiVo's, especially, of all, the Base Roamio, or Roamio OTA. Even in old TiVos with a beefy power supply, there were compatibility issues with Blue.
     
  14. Kash76

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    Thanks for the tip. Running the stock drive now. Hopefully my minis update soon
     
  15. nooneuknow

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    I wish I knew more about what WK knows and any determinations they have made on power requirements and adequate margins (power, not profit). I'm sure their profit margins are more than adequate. ;) But, I dare not say that out loud. :eek:

    WK had everybody wondering what drives they were using for their first upgrade kits, and pre-upgraded Roamio packages. They'd only say it was a WD drive of the AV line. As it turned out, they went with the WD Purple, which is an AV drive (but not of the official "AV line", which would be the actual AV, formerly called AV-GP).

    Unless they've changed course, they use WD Purple for everything that I'm aware of. Technically, even though both the Purple and Red drives are AV drives, WD does not endorse them for use in products lacking a proper RAID controller, which is required for proper TLER handling.

    I can't comment on drive warranty matters/concerns, as I don't know if WK uses the proper OEM channel and/or is purchasing as an authorized reseller, which can make a big difference in warranty areas.

    Some jump to conclude if WK uses a drive, it must be the right one (or even the best one). I have other thoughts/opinions on the matter [self-censored thoughts and opinions here]. What I can outright say I believe, is that if the WD Purple is good enough for WK, then I'll take the WD Red, please (applying the "follow what WK is doing" logic, not my own, on its own).

    I've just crossed into the danger zone. Nice knowing, you. <ducking, and running>
     
  16. Mikeguy

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    Not being knowledgeable enough about this all, it's just nice to see a concern like WeaKnees in the same boat, and knowing that there is a possible solution should there be an issue, thanks to your considerate and detailed power supply info. above. That is, assuming that your LiteOn power adapter info. is correct and is not instead intended to blow out a whole lot of people's Roamios. (Kidding!) ;)
     
  17. Arcady

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    I have opened 5 TiVo boxes so far this month (Premieres and Roamios) and all of the stock drives were WD AV Green drives.
     
  18. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    Any particular conversation this data is meant to go with, or just posting an observation?

    It is good to know what TiVo is currently using/shipping. But, you didn't say if what you opened was new, used, old stock, or anything to put it into any context. Like, are you implying TiVo knows what is best, over WK, since that was the recent topic, along with power requirements discussion?

    For a while, there were almost exclusively Seagate AV 500GB drives in base Roamios.

    Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to make sure we all know the relevance, so we all can make the most of your input.
     
  19. Arcady

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    I'm just saying what TiVo has been using. If they put a WD Green AV drive in at the factory, why wouldn't someone want to upgrade using the same thing? Why is this even a question? Is it so hard to just buy the same model of drive?
     
  20. nooneuknow

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    That's been my advice. That model does top out at 4TB, FWIW. (and topped out at 3TB, when WK was prepping their 4TB offerings)

    Then there has been the indisputable fact that TiVo has used the closest Seagate equivalent to it, and more base/OTA Roamios were probably shipped with Seagates, than WDs.

    But, this thread will always have folks who post links to something on sale, and ask "will this work?".

    Then it can come down to endless hair-splitting over the definition of "work", and which context of it they mean.

    Even if I were to put my stock 500GB Seagate AV drives back in, I'd still want the LiteOn AC adapter brick, over the wart TiVo included. I'd want the same brick if they had came with 500GB WD AV-GP drives, too.

    If I were to enable the new power savings modes, or simply use the new standby, which results in the hard drive spinning down and back up again, I just wouldn't trust the stock wart to handle doing that with a 3TB drive, with many more platters to get spinning, than the drive it came with, even if sticking to the exact 3TB drive TiVo uses in the Pro, which has an internal power supply.

    ETA: WD didn't help matters any, by renaming the "AV-GP" to just "AV", at the same time they added the 4TB model, leading to two different product line PDFs for a while, and confusing the market. See my next post after this one for more.

    Sometimes I swear you create more confusion than you say you are trying to eliminate. But, some can say the same thing about me...
     

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