Grimm "Beginning of the End, 1 & 2" OAD 5/20/16

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  1. pkscout

    pkscout Well-Known Member

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    My thought on this is that Juliette wasn't born a hexenbiest, she was turned into one. So the stick could have healed her of that affliction. Both Nick and Monroe were born what they are, so there was nothing to heal.

    I'm also of the mind that I'd rather have Eve as a character than Juliette. But Eve is so powerful (in theory) that the only reason they need to keep her around is if Diana ends up being the big bad next season.

    Or it was sloppy writing. ;)
     
  2. wprager

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    They kept her around because she's dating the Grimm in real life.
     
  3. robojerk

    robojerk Well-Known Member

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    She's a Hexenbeast, he's a Grimm; sounds like a lame comedy sitcom that would take place in the Grimm universe.
     
  4. john4200

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    I guess they could go with that explanation. But it would be bad storytelling unless they are going to soon kill off her character, because Juliette does not bring anything to the table. All the other main characters, except maybe Hank, have something special going for them (even Wu, now). Juliette needs the power-up of being a hexenbiest if she is going to be able to contribute to Team Grimm in a meaningful way.
     
  5. Vendikarr

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    Since Juliette was a hexenbiest as a result of a spell's side effect and not born that way, I can accept the shard curing her of that condition. I wish it hadn't, because Eve is much more interesting than Juliette.
     
  6. TonyD79

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    Bad story telling? Actually seems to be consistent story telling. The stick cures. She was "sick" in that she was infected rather than natural. It would be bad story telling to not have it cute her.
     
  7. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    Did Trubel's spin off series not get picked up?

    It's interesting that they killed of Meisner and everybody in HW. Maybe Nick takes over a reconstructed HW next season.

    Out of curiosity, can an active duty police captain run for mayor while maintaining his police duties?

    I wonder if the writers will just sweep under the rug the total wiping out of a police precinct.
     
  8. Amnesia

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    IIRC, Monroe never touched the stick---Nick was holding the stick. And as for Nick, perhaps it doesn't work on Grimms (who are supposed to be the "good guys"), just on Wesen...

    I thought it was pretty obvious that the stick turned Eve/Juliette back into a human.
     
  9. robojerk

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    Except we saw Nick take a few bullets in that fight, then shake it off like nothing. The stick worked on him. We dont know exactly what the stick did Eve/Juliette.
     
  10. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    Sorry---I meant that the stick doesn't "cure" his Grimm-ness.
     
  11. john4200

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    Not obvious at all.

    It did something to her mind and feelings. It could have just cured the mental trauma that came with the conditioning that made her into Eve, while leaving her a hexenbiest. Being a hexenbiest is not any sort of physical or mental damage, it is a species of wesen. So it is a bit of a stretch to say that the magic stick "cured" her of being a hexenbiest.

    We know the magic stick can quickly heal wounds, but that is basically just helping the body do what it would do by itself, only faster. That could also explain it healing the mental trauma that made her Eve, since there were already some clues that Eve's conditioning was slowly starting to wear off. But her body was never going to heal her of being a hexenbiest. The "she was not born a hexenbiest" argument is a bit weak because she was also not born a woman, and the stick did not magically "heal" her back to an infant. There was no mention of it healing all of Monroe's old scars.

    While they could certainly claim that the stick "healed" her of being a hexenbiest, it would be bad storytelling to return Juliette to her unpowered self, since she would again be mostly irrelevant to Team Grimm. Much better to keep her a hexenbiest so that she has enough power to participate in Team Grimm operations. And giving her back most of her old Juliette personality while still being a hexenbiest will create some awkward situations for Nick, and probably for Adalind.
     
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  12. robojerk

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    I'd be okay if the writer's wanted Juliet to be a human or Hexenbiest. However I do think having Nick surround by only wesen'ish people would be a bad thing for the show.

    I just think the writers don't want Nick to have a happy relationship, like ever, so I expect whatever is happening to Juliette will throw a wrench in the Nick/Adalind thing in some way. Like Nick just wants to try to help Juliette overcome the guilt she's carrying. Or Diana finds out Juliette helped kill that nice lady who raised her as a baby.
     
  13. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    Yeah, I'm seeing a Nick/Adalind/Juliette love triangle in our future and I'm not looking forward to it.

    Hmmm. Now that I think of it, Adalind has been with Nick, Hank and Renard. Maybe Juliette is next.
     
  14. wprager

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    Nah, it's gotta be Wu. He *needs it*.
     
  15. TonyD79

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    I do not think that means what you think it means.
     
  16. wprager

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    If you mean "story telling" in American Television then yes. It's more about keeping the show on the air than anything else. Every one -- the producers, the actors/writers, the advertisers, the network execs -- they all want it to continue. And that flies in the face of good story telling where you have a beginning, a middle and an end.
     
  17. JYoung

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    Well, Grimm has been renewed for another season but only for 13 episodes.

    I'm pretty sure that's a "wrap up the show" order so the producers don't have to worry about that for too much longer.
     
  18. realityboy

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    Probably, but they've mentioned more than once that the episode order might be extended.
     

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