Goodbye Tivo, it's been nice (sometimes)

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by imagexpo, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. slowbiscuit

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    4) Get a used lifetime Roamio Plus from ebay for $300 or less, and use TE3 UI.
     
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  2. tommage1

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    You NEED six channels/tuners? Since you are talking about recording why not another Roamio? Around $200 used with lifetime. The Plus/Pro does have 6 tuners but is cable only. The "basic" has 4 tuners (enough for most) and can be used for cable OR OTA (one at a time, not both at same time). Since lifetime no monthly fees. If a basic, if you really NEED 6 tuners could just buy another, have two Roamios (you'd end up with 8 channels.) Not sure if your cable company charges for a second cable card, if so should be not much. Edge, well pretty expensive for the cable model, the device itself but even more so the lifetime service or monthly/yearly fees. Even if you wait for a sale. And it's TE4/Hydra only, may not be the interface you like.


    What drive did you try in your Roamio, model number? I assume you are using TE3 since you mention you like the UI and are a long time Tivo user? If not, ie you "upgraded" to TE4, then the drive model for replacement even more critical. Either OS CMR is the way to go though, NOT SMR. Post the model, and/or try a drive you KNOW is CMR, the fact that it's even getting into a boot loop kinda makes me think the Tivo itself might be ok.
     
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  3. mdavej

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    The vast majority of discussions on TCF have nothing to do with Tivo. So I still enjoy reading those posts. But I hear loud and clear, "you're no longer in the club, so leave already, and don't let the door hit you on the way out". Doesn't bother me. I still get more enjoyment out of TCF than not. Maybe one day soon I'll give up, but not quite yet.
    None of the above. But it's complicated. Personally, I only watch Motor Trend and cooking shows on YTTV. I have no interest in sports. However, my parents, whom I share the service with, have it for the news and PBS (they can't get it OTA). So I'm able to provide 2 households with cable TV content for less the cost of a single cable subscription. Unfortunately, YTTV is the only streaming service that has PBS. Otherwise I could save a lot of money switching to something like Philo or even just Discovery+.
    I use T-mobile. At $50/month it's the cheapest, slowest internet available in my market. If I could go cheaper and slower, I would in a heartbeat. The limitations are significant (no bridge mode, inconsistent speeds), but they have no impact on my streaming performance. I really only need about 12 Mbps for that.
    I've been through several streaming services in the past 4 years, starting with Playstation Vue. I absolutely loved it. In many ways it was better than YTTV is today. It had a great lineup and was a solid DVR. Alas, the lineup was gutted, price skyrocketed, and the service ultimately shuttered. Then came AT&T. Abysmal DVR but, at $35, a fantastic lineup and price. I kept that for a few years. But that same lineup is over $100 today, so that pushed me to YTTV, which had been at the bottom of my list until that moment.

    So why is it so good for me, in spite of its shortcomings (high price, terrible guide, no 5.1 sound)? Unlimited DVR that I don't have to manage at all, PBS (it's the only streaming service that has it), runs on any platform, superb trick play (no other service comes close). Best of all, no cable card, tuning adapter or massive cable bill full of bogus fees. The day I told Charter to stuff it was a very happy day.

    What was wrong with Tivo? Not very much. Really just its requirement to use cable TV and its terrible streaming capabilities. It's the best DVR by far. I could have kept using it for OTA. But then I have to switch back and forth to different sources more and more to stream. Seemed silly when I had streaming devices that could do everything, even though cloud DVR has limitations.

    So here we are. Another reason I hung around here so long was my hope that Tivo Stream 4K would solve Tivo's lack of streaming apps and integrate with the Tivo's I already paid for. Alas, it did not pan out. The Stream ended up having zero integration with Tivo, making it nothing more than a pale imitation of the dozens of other identical streaming devices that have been around for at least a decade.
     
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  4. mdavej

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    I agree with your other points, but not your clarifications.

    1. If I were to set up 100 recordings and they all happened hit simultaneously on 100 different channels, YTTV would still record them all. So it effectively does have unlimited tuners even though the concept of a tuner doesn't really apply to a streaming service.

    2. It hits those jumps very precisely and shows you a thumbnail of exactly where it's going to stop. But yes, I'll concede you can't get any closer than those increments. I can live with that.

    In my ideal world, cable would be affordable, and Tivo would run every streaming app, and I'd be happier than I am now with YTTV. But that's not the reality, and YTTV comes closest to solving all those issues for me at the moment. I'd love for YTTV to be a lot cheaper, have a no-sports option, have 5.1 sound, a better guide and tighter voice control integration. Maybe someday. But by that time I'll have lost interest and switched entirely to OTA.
     
  5. wizwor

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    Not from me. I came here when I was seriously looking at TiVos (for the third time) and hang around because I have five Roamio/OTAs, a couple Minis, and a Stream. I like to keep up. Even now, my time here is on the wane.

    I liked Vue. Integrated right into the Recast EPG. I understand YTTV does as well.

    Good to know. Second recommendation in a week.

    I used to have a blog called The Beer's On Comcast that celebrated my divorce from Comcast.

    There's plenty wrong with TiVo. The fact that we are going to end up with doorstops when TiVo pulls the plug on their service is on my mind these days. It's not like Rovi is above redefining the term Lifetime, right? It's no longer the single box/remote solution.
    It's actually pretty good hardware, but I agree with the rest.

    Thanks for taking the time to talk about your adventure.
     
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  6. mdavej

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    Yeah, the guide integration with Recast is brilliant. Right now I've got OTA, YTTV, Pluto and Sling (the free channels) all in one guide.
    My T-mobile got off to a rocky start. When I was first setting it up, I was moving it around the house to find the best signal. I didn't realize it locked on to the worst signal until I rebooted. After that, I was able to find a good place, and it's been solid ever since. Actually more reliable than Spectrum. My speeds are usually around 100 down, 30 up. Occasionally it drops to 50, but not very often. Definitely worth the $30/month savings over Spectrum. That's enough to pay for almost half my YTTV bill.
     
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  7. trip1eX

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    well since your Tivo broke, I would try YTTV. I think they have a 14 day free trial currently at least as of a week ago or so. Just need a streaming box/stick or smart tv.
    takes a minute or two to get going.
     
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  8. tivaulo

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    Wow, I've been clicking the YTTV adds off without even looking at it. I thought it was just to watch Youtube without the ads. Need to take a better look at it now.

    I can't believe that sticking with the Roamio actually seems like the best idea. I had read about the Bolt being a dude, but the Edge being bad too is pretty sad, although not surprising. Weaknees prices are pretty high. I believe they are even higher now than what I paid 7 years ago. So if if anything I'll go the ebay route instead. Thanks for setting me straight.

    Yes, it's TE3. It's a Roamio Plus with a replaced 2GB HD. I was hoping it was the HD because the date on it says 2013. But maybe I should try a third HD, who knows, **** happens twice in a row sometimes.

    I also found my old Premiere, with a working HD! So, I'll be using it as soon as I talk to Spectrum about swapping my cable card to a new device. This should take the urgency away while I figure my next move. How the old lady reacts to the new normal will probably dictate my choice.

    Thanks guys, very helpful suggestions.
     
  9. MrDell

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    It really is a shame that TiVo’s hardware went downhill... just wanted to put my two cents in... I have been with TiVo since the premier and I have had a Bolt for three years with no issues yet. I did add some external cooling based on recommendations on the forums and so far so good.... not sure if life expectancy will be as good as previous models. I just purchased a backup toshiba hard drive just in case. Tivo hardware failure was not as prevalent with Roamio models and before.
     
  10. mdavej

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    That's "Youtube Premium" which is indeed Youtube without ads. "Youtube TV" is an entirely different service that has nothing to do with Youtube content. Another clue is the price. Youtube Premium is $11.99 and gives you Youtube videos with no ads. Youtube TV is $64.99 and gives you 85 or so traditional cable TV channels (HGTV, ESPN, FOX, etc.) and unlimited cloud DVR. It's a streaming alternative to cable/satellite TV without the equipment or bogus fees.

    If you decided to switch from cable to YTTV or similar streaming service like AT&T TV, Hulu Live TV, Philo, etc., then your Tivo would be redundant. If you decide to keep cable, then the above streaming services would be redundant. It's one or the other, not both. For me, Spectrum was running well over $100 for the same channels I get with YTTV, so switching to YTTV was a no-brainer. The biggest thing you need to consider is if the streaming provider you're considering actually carries all the channels you watch and how much it costs.
     
  11. tommage1

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    Well you still did not post the actual model number of the drive/drives. The one that was in there, I don't need to know as I know it was working before. But the replacement you tried, that one I would need to know actual model number. And did you run diagnostics on the replacement?

    Don't pitch the Roamio regardless, if you can't get it to work I'd give ya shipping to send it to me. I'd try to fix it (pretty much drive or possible power supply, I'm guessing drive). If I can you could have it back for whatever expenses I have, shipping/parts.
     
  12. tommage1

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    There is something else you can try before you'd consider shipping etc. Called kickstart commands. They can be finicky depending on device or OS. However since you are in a boot loop anyway should not matter. I'd try KS58 first. If that does not work try KS 57. If that does not work try KS76543210. The last resets everything so you'd lose all recordings, settings and cable card pairing. To run the KS commands you need remote to be in IR mode, not RF. However since you have a Premiere you could most likely just use the Premiere remote to run the KS on the Roamio. Just make sure the Premiere is powered down so you are not controlling it while using it's remote to run KS on Roamio.

    Keep in mind some of the KS commands can take HOURS to complete. Some will bring up a green screen of death, talks about serious error. That is normal. Just let run a few hours at least (especially the 57 or 76543210). You can search the forums for how to initiate the KS commands, should be fairly easy to find. Or there are instructions on Weaknees site I believe.
     
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  13. tommage1

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    I am not sure how Spectrum cable cards work but with Comcast if the card is activated you will get the majority of the channels without it being paired. Needs to be paired to get premium channels and a handful of others. So if I were you I'd just put the cable card in the Premiere and see what happens, don't call Spectrum. If you do, and they switch the pairing, then if you end up with the Roamio working you'd have to pair it again. Again switching around the cable card will work with Comcast (for non premium channels), I can't speak for Spectrum.
     
  14. Pokemon_Dad

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    I have Comcast, but I'm told Spectrum encrypts everything. So every channel is like a premium channel.
     
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    Ah, if true then would have to be paired. If I was tivaulao I'd still try the kickstarts and/or another drive before switching the pairing though.
     
  16. CommunityMember

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    Well, it depends. Charter (the brand is Spectrum, but the company is Charter) has tended to leave the channel flagging as it was when they acquired the franchise. For the biggest acquisition, TWC (who was actually bigger than Charter before the acquisition) who flagged all channels (other than the locals and the PEGs) as copy-once, you should expect that only those solutions that provide a full encrypted content path to function. But there are still some franchises which are different.

    Many have expected that Charter (like Comcast) would eventually create a nationwide standard and roll it out. It has not (yet?) happened, which means "Your Mileage WILL vary".

    The best way forward is to get full validation so there are no unexpected surprises at some point in the future.
     
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    I think the Tivo interface is still way better than anything Cable has to offer and any other DVR. I dropped Charter TV almost 10 years ago because their TV with Internet service was just too expensive in my opinion. But since they changed their name to Spectrum now their internet bill for my area has increased several times within a year, it's $75 a month now which I think it too expensive as well. And they don't have any less expensive plans and nothing else is a good deal in my area, it sucks! Internet should be getting less expensive, not more. Add in a Netflix subscription and a few others and the monthly bill can be just as expensive (or more), as a Spectrum TV/Internet combo package. I'm not even interested in their phone package, as I have a first generation Ooma and it cost me nothing per month (no state taxes), even though I don't even need that phone, everyone uses cell phones now. Guess I'm just nostalgic to my house number of 22 years.
     
  18. mdavej

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    @Resist, I just dropped Spectrum in favor of T-Mobile Home Internet which is $50. It's slower than Spectrum, but I don't need blazing fast speed. If you get a good signal, it should work fine. If you decide you don't like it after a couple of months, you can go back to Spectrum and get the new customer rates at least.
     
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  19. SilentTuba

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    I just signed up for fios again after a few years with Optimum, and have an install coming in a few weeks. I really appreciate their current pricing model; no contracts, no “deals” where the price jumps significantly after two years, and no added fees, everything is included in the quoted price. I’ll be getting 300mbps internet for $40 a month, and for the first two months, the Fios “Test Drive” package, which is basically two months of their top tier tv package for $50 a month. After that you have to choose which package you want, and I’m likely going to go with the “More Fios” package, which is $70 a month. Total cost for cable, internet, and cablecard will be $115 a month, with no equipment rental save the card.
     
  20. MrDell

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    That sounds like a nice deal....we considered that but we decided to keep our landline phone so we chose the bundle with the phone. I know landlines are becoming a thing of the past but my wife and I are so used to having a landline we thought we would miss having it... our kids think we are crazy :):)
     

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