Get the Tivo OS onto Virgin Media's 'V+ Box' DVR

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by cwaring, Jun 19, 2007.

  1. Jun 22, 2007 #41 of 109
    manolan

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    I agree you don't want US signatures.

    But (looking back over the last 50-odd signatures), all I can see is someone who says they used TiVo in the US. It doesn't say they're based in the US. Or is there another one?
     
  2. Jun 22, 2007 #42 of 109
    cwaring

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    "Thomas" at 186 or 187 is the only US signatory so far; that I can tell, at least.
     
  3. Jun 22, 2007 #43 of 109
    mtchamp

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    Hi, I'm Thomas. I'm the US petition signer that identified myself in the comments as a US resident that used TiVo for 7 years. Now because I have 2 Series3 Tivos, I went to back to cable since DirecTV no longer sells TiVo.

    Many people do think of TiVo first and content provider second. Many people would change provider for a better TiVo experience. I hope for you guys in the UK, Virgin does do TiVo. I came back to cable because of the new dual-tuner HD CableCard Series3 that works with any US Digital Cable Service and gives me a better TiVo experience than my DirecTiVos did..
     
  4. Jun 22, 2007 #44 of 109
    Pete77

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    I'm still inclined to think another 20,000 or so signatures of our petition from across the pond might not be such a bad thing.
     
  5. Jun 22, 2007 #45 of 109
    BrianHughes

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    I think it's pretty meaningless to solicit US names. Virgin aren't going to give a toss if 20,000 Americans vote and only 500 of us. So Carl I'm with you.
     
  6. Jun 22, 2007 #46 of 109
    dvdfever

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    I've signed it today. Although I don't have any plans to get Virginmedia, I'd like to see TiVo get a second chance and anything that pokes a rusty nail in the eye of Sky+ is a good thing :)
     
  7. Jun 22, 2007 #47 of 109
    cwaring

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    Hehe. Yeah. I did notice a familiar name on there ;) Thanks Dom!
     
  8. Jun 23, 2007 #48 of 109
    peterseventy

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    A few weeks' experience of Virgin's V+ box has convinced me that installing the superb TiVo OS would be wasted on the V+ box and only serve to tarnish TiVo's good name. Our V+ box is unacceptably noisy even though we have mounted it on acoustic feet, it crashes at least once a week (makes a special point of doing this on the days we go away) and Virgin support, like NTL before it, varies between the bureaucratically dire and the non-existent. We are only putting up with it to avoid having to phone them.
     
  9. Jun 23, 2007 #49 of 109
    Pete77

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    Presumably it has a Maxtor or Hitachi hard drive in it? Why not open it and find out what make the hard drive is. Is it user replaceable with a Samsung drive as per Sky's box?

    This would not happen if it was running the Tivo software as it is the crappy Virgin software and not the hardware in the box which is letting you down.
     
  10. Jun 23, 2007 #50 of 109
    cwaring

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    Because it's fitted with tamper-proof screws, or whatever. Basically it's a no-no.

    No.
     
  11. Jun 23, 2007 #51 of 109
    Pete77

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    What like the Tivo tamper-proof Torx screws you mean? ;) :p

    Why is it a No No? I'm sure its just a PVR like any other inside. The main question though is whether the operating system is all on some kind of EPROM on the motherboard (as with Sky+) or whether if you replaced the hard drive you would have to get the operating system copied over to the new HDD like a Tivo.
     
  12. Jun 23, 2007 #52 of 109
    TCM2007

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    It's a no-no because you rent the box, you don't own it.
     
  13. Jun 23, 2007 #53 of 109
    TCM2007

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    Western Digital or Maxtor according to Wikipedia.
     
  14. Jun 23, 2007 #54 of 109
    Pete77

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    Western Digital make some very noisy 3.5" drives even though they make some very quiet 2.5" ones.
     
  15. Jun 23, 2007 #55 of 109
    Paul555

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    I have signed the petition and would definately swap from Sky if this was to happen. I'm not holding my breath though. I emailed a few Virgin higher ups about this a while back and haven't had a reply. A few on here may have done the same.

    Oh well you don't get anything if you don't ask!
     
  16. Jun 24, 2007 #56 of 109
    thermidor

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    I have TiVo in the UK - the old faithful Thompson Scenium box. But the service line for support and everything else is provided by SKY (ring TiVo UK - and you get through to a SKY support person who just says "Hello Tivo"). I assume this means that TiVo in the UK is licenced to SKY (even though they are not using it and pressing ahead with the woefully inferior SKY+ which I also have).

    If this is the case . . . I doubt very much that TiVo will be partnering up with Virgin - given that SKY and Virgin are such chums . . . . Shame really. I'd love a series 3 TiVo box . . . .
     
  17. Jun 24, 2007 #57 of 109
    Pete77

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    No this is not the case.

    Tivo merely did a marketing deal with Sky to be able to use their logo etc and for Sky to mention their product between 2000 and 2002. The customer service arrangements continue purely due to interia/laziness by Tivo and their apparent view that they are the cheapest/lowest cost way to support things. Personally I would have thought supporting us directly from California and only opening the supporting lines 5pm to 6am UK time would have made more sense once Tivo pulled out of further UK marketing.

    There is nothing stopping Tivo doing a deal with any other UK marketing partner. The main practical obstacles are Sky and Virgin's decisions to go with their own cheaper, crappier but more profitable PVR sofware solutions instead and the stranglehold Sky and Virgin have on the pay tv marketplace. Plus soon Freeview Playback will offer Series Link for free without the need to pay a subscription so who will want to pay for Tivo...........
     
  18. Jun 24, 2007 #58 of 109
    blindlemon

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    I'm not holding my breath that Freeview Playback's "series link" will be a TiVo killer... :cool:

    If it's anything like the Sky+ series link it will hardly be worth having. And even if it's as good as a TiVo season pass, it still won't make the box into a TiVo :p:D
     
  19. Jun 25, 2007 #59 of 109
    thermidor

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    TiVo has soo many things that beat other PVRs. I cant tell you how many "series links" have just randomly disappeared on Sky+ half way through a series - making me miss an episode before I notice. They also are not persistent like Season Passes. And there are no wishlists. And the program search function is just a joke. And it sometimes sticks when you press delete, so you press it again, and then it frees up and because there is no confirm it deletes 2 programs that you havent watched yet. And if you launch the menu, you cant then rewind live tv beyond the time you pressed menu. Grrrr. :mad:

    My fantasy TiVo would have two slots for SKY cards, plus a built in freeview, be able to do "record 2 watch one", plus a built in DVD recorder to auto save programs, plus a USB port to save programs direct to a usb key and take to watch at a friends place or on my PC, plus a port (firewire/usb) to allow me to cheaply attach a bigger generic hard drive module for extra program storage. :D

    I'd sell my granny for that TiVo, and gladly smash the Sky+ box to bits with a hammer. Especially as I've just been told "Sorry - your box is too old and you cant have sky anytime. Thanks. Goodbye". Nice! :mad:
     
  20. Jun 25, 2007 #60 of 109
    Pete77

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    OK thanks for this reassurance thermidor.

    Yesterday I snapped up an upgraded Tivo on Ebay for £215 + £20 delivery.

    This was a Lifetime machine with Cachecard with 512MB of RAM, 250Gb single hard drive and a professionally punched ethernet socket for the Cachecard on the back of the machine. The seller had only owned the machine for about a year and was moving on in an HDTV direction so a bonus would be to find the hard drive is a Samsung HA250JC (he didn't know what make it was but knew it was a single 250Gb drive).

    The machine is destined for my dear old Mum who doesn't want the whole HDTV thing and cost but is always complaining there is nothing decent to watch in the evening, even though there are loads of programs at other times she likes when she isn't watching.

    But then I started to have doubts after my purchase and thought about Sky + only being £15 per month now and thought about the BBC HD box coming out next year with probably a PVR facility on board too. And then about the new Freeview boxes with Series Link like the Tvonics, although only BBC channels currently support the Series Link feature. And i wondered if I had done the right thing.

    Well only time will tell. It was a cracking price for the spec of box (a basic non upgraded lifetime machine sold for £143 including delivery yesterday) and although there are meant to be some marks on the case I now have a basic 40Gb unsubbed Tivo with a perfect outside case I can swap on to it if needs be.

    Of course with Ebay you should never count your chickens before they are hatched but the seller seemed a very genuine guy indeed.
     

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