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Discussion in 'VirginMedia TV with TiVo - UK' started by royfox, Dec 31, 2010.

  1. Feb 3, 2011 #401 of 549
    Pete77

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    I think my comparisons were all against the cost of continuing to run a Lifetime Subbed SD S1 Tivo (i.e. zero) so I don't see where the £10 per month Sky HD recording charge enters the picture?
     
  2. Feb 3, 2011 #402 of 549
    Milhouse

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    You specified "Virgin Tivo" in your comparison with Sky+HD and no mention of S1 TiVo. Also, if you exclude the £10/month for SkyHD your comparison is utterly pointless (even more so than it already is/was).
     
  3. Feb 3, 2011 #403 of 549
    cwaring

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    QUOTE=laurence@key2.co;8358982]In the short term anyway![/QUOTE]
    Well I had my original Tivo for 8 years.

    Year 1: £199 + (£10 x 12) = £319
    Years 2-8 = (12x10) x 8 = £960

    New Tivo
    Year 1: £149 + (£3 x 12) = £185
    Years 2-8: (£3 x 12) x 8 = £288

    So yes, much cheaper over the same period :)

    And yes, before anyone else mentions it, I realise it's going to be more expensive for those who have had to upgrade to the XL pack! I was only calculating my spend.
     
  4. Feb 3, 2011 #404 of 549
    Fatbloke

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    Getting away from the financial bickering... ;)

    Has anyone any thoughts about how the T4 will handle the HiDef channels? For instance, BBC1 is simulcast to BBC1HD, so how will Tivo choose wishlist programs. I saw no mention of 'HD preference' settings or anything similar.

    I assume for series links (season passes) we'll just choose the channel we want to record from, but Wishlists are a different story.
     
  5. Feb 3, 2011 #405 of 549
    RichardJH

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    I agree but all the same a saving and still the same number of channels I can record 2 on V+ and 2 on VM Tivo with the option of all in HD

    One at least will have a Freeview attached the other will possibly be given to one of my daughters. I intend to keep one just in case I need to archive from either the VM Tivo or V+. The good thing about the S1 Tivo is it doesn't care about DRM and other modern oddities that stop copying from the more modern technology just feed it something and it records and then with it networked whatever is on the Tivo can be put on to my server ;):cool::D
     
  6. Feb 3, 2011 #406 of 549
    Pete77

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    As BBC1 HD is a simulcast surely you will just have it selected in Channels I Receive and will not have BBC1 (SD) selected in Channels I Receive? However I take your point that a Wishlist on an S1 Tivo would still record a program even on a channel that was not one of your "Channels I Receive".

    Personally I always saw this as being a bug as it means on my Freesat Sky box running in conjunction with my Tivo I get regular recordings on the Tivo for programs with the word "Dakar" in them when all I can view is a blue screen telling me how I could subscribe to British Eurosport with Sky if I paid them some money. I would have hoped that the new Tivo would have fixed this so that Wishlists do not pick up programs from channels you do not have selected in Channels I Receive and/or so that Wishlists only record off your Favourite channels if that is your preference and there is hopefully a further preference option for this that you can set?
     
  7. Feb 3, 2011 #407 of 549
    Pete77

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    Indeed that is a significant advantage of an S1 Tivo.

    Also do programs recorded on a Sky+ or Sky HD box that are still on the box ever expire due to not being watched after a certain time compared to Tivo recordings from five years ago that I can still go back to and watch again If I ever want to.
     
  8. Feb 3, 2011 #408 of 549
    okonski_uk

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    To be fair, VM cannot move the goalposts. If you switch to a non-cabled area, there is absolutely nothing you (or they) can to to provide TV service. Sky will always have the upper hand in this, with only a very few locations where the siting of a dish is impossible.

    Secondly, Sky may offer a discounted deal, but impose a minimum term. Does your reduction span the duration of your commitment? No, of course it doesn't - the pain is just delayed. It would be foolish to trhink otherwise. They then expect lethargy to take over and you'll continue paying.

    For all its faults, cable BB is impossible to beat - and the ADSL service they offer remains a technology kludge, nothing more. If I get good service, I don't mind paying for it. Getting a discount for a carp service is hardly a benefit!
     
  9. Feb 3, 2011 #409 of 549
    cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    I do know that you can't (or at least couldn't) watch any Sky Movies if you weren't subscribed to the channels; even if the films were still on your box :(
     
  10. Feb 3, 2011 #410 of 549
    jonphil

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    Once Sky is canceled all recordings are locked too.
     
  11. Feb 3, 2011 #411 of 549
    deshepherd

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    Did the S1 ever choose channels that weren't in your "channels I receive" list ... we're not big wishlists users but I don't recall this ever happening.

    The only experience like the above we have is the way the combination of our TiVo, dongle and V-box conspire on a regular basis to interpret a channel change to 10x (which is where a lot of our recordings come from BBC1-4, ITV, C4, C5) as 110 which is LivingHD - as we don't have HD we just get the "phone this number to subscribe" and until you press OK on the cable remote the STB is locked on that display. Did this while we were away over new year on the first evening so we came back to 3 days worth of recording all of which were of this screen. Anyway, V-TiVo arriving in 8 days time and this problem will be in the past!
     
  12. Feb 3, 2011 #412 of 549
    warrenrb

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    Yes, I've fallen victim to this on many occasions. I'll be glad to see the back of those type of recordings!
     
  13. Feb 3, 2011 #413 of 549
    mikerr

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    No it doesn't. Wishlists always use "channels I receive".

    I think the right honourable gentleman is mistaken ;)

    Season passes are tied to a channel though - so they will continue to try to record from that channel even if it is no longer in "Channels I Receive".
     
  14. Feb 3, 2011 #414 of 549
    TCM2007

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    I assure you you can watch lots of excellent TV armed only with a Freeview box, and would benefit massively from a TiVo. Liking to watch a lot of American imports does not make you a serious TV viewer. Arguably the opposite.
     
  15. Feb 3, 2011 #415 of 549
    Cableguy1927

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    First post here. I believe when you create a WishList you can specify the category as HD. So you could do a WishList for CSI and category HD and you would only be presented with HD episodes.
     
  16. Feb 3, 2011 #416 of 549
    TCM2007

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    FWIW (not much) WC7 has a "Prefer HD" option, but unfortunately does not recognise BBC 1 HD as being in HD, so it only works for stuff which is shown on BBC 2 and BBC HD. Hopefully TIVo will be smarter.
     
  17. Feb 3, 2011 #417 of 549
    TCM2007

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    Recordings of encrypted shows don't survive Sky issuing a new card, which happens every few years. Otherwise, so long as you still have a subscription, they last forever.
     
  18. Feb 3, 2011 #418 of 549
    TCM2007

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    It's not quite that easy as BBC1 HD is not yet regionalised, and goes to a test card when regional programming is shown.
     
  19. Feb 3, 2011 #419 of 549
    Pete77

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    A very poor solution indeed. You would think they could at least show BBC1 London's output during the regional opt outs on BBC1 HD.

    Or is a worse service offered in the name of political correctness so as not to offend the cantankerous Scots. You will recall that we now have to have extensive coverage of their weather first on all national UK weather forecasts after previous complaints that they were being discriminated against despite having only about 6% of the UK population compared to the 90%+ of it living in England.:mad:
     
  20. Feb 3, 2011 #420 of 549
    Pete77

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    A pretty terminal problem then at the time of a card changeover (which has only just happened in the last few months). I would hope there are no such equivalent problems with a Virgin PVR in general or especially with a Virgin Tivo PVR?
     

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