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Discussion in 'VirginMedia TV with TiVo - UK' started by royfox, Dec 31, 2010.

  1. Feb 2, 2011 #381 of 549
    mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    Anyone else end up paying less per month with TiVo than before ?
    I've ended up paying £149 like everyone else - but saving £8 pm on my VM bill,
    As the operator "re-jigged" my packages (oo-er!)
     
  2. Feb 2, 2011 #382 of 549
    Zaichik

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    Nope, my bill has gone up to £62 per month from £45. I'm currently on XL phone, L BB and L TV. My new package will XL TV with TiVo, XL phone and XL BB (30 Mbps).
     
  3. Feb 2, 2011 #383 of 549
    Pete77

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    Did you actually remove any channels you were currently watching as a result of these changes though? I believe that there are certain special interest channels (not all of them Adult in nature) that are not part of even the XL package.

    If you didn't then I would carefully check your next bill to make sure that the promised price reduction has actually materialised. These call centre operators often give customers inaccurate information in my long suffering experience of the breed.
     
  4. Feb 2, 2011 #384 of 549
    hokkers999

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    Bingo - give that man a cigar. Someone else who gets it over being reamed a new arris'ole to get a new untried and untested box.

    £443 and you never even own it, buy an awful lot of spare hard drives for the S1 for that.
     
  5. Feb 2, 2011 #385 of 549
    cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    I think someone might be going back on the 'ignore' list very shortly :rolleyes:

    Those on XL are obviously serious TV viewers and will appreciate the new Tivo. If you only have the M pack (like my parents) then you probably don't watch enough telly to justify getting one.

    It's not like anyone's being held over a barrel or anything. We're all getting it by our own choice.

    Oh, and the software has been "tried and tested" for the last however many years that Tivo Premier has been available in the US. And the box is made by CISCO who make, among other things, Tivo boxes for the US; and also the VHD Box for Virgin Media themselves. So they're hardly "untested" too. Not to mention the fact that this very box has been "tried and tested" internally by VM for at least the last six months - to my knowledge - if not more.

    On second thoughts, I'm gonna keep your posts in view as I love it when you come out with a load of bollox and expect people to actually take you seriously :)
     
  6. Feb 2, 2011 #386 of 549
    Pete77

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    The ethics of charging a one off £149 fee to rent something you then pay a large monthly sub for anyway do seem extremely questionable.

    My bet would also be that if Virgin XL customer waited another year or so and then threatened to cancel due to boredom or dissatisfaction with the product that they would be offered Tivo as a free upgrade. This might even happen in 18 months or two years time with an M+ customer if by then Tivo had been rolled out to all subscription levels offered by the company. You only have to look at what has happened with fees charged by Sky for its Sky+ box to realise that this is hardly unlikely.

    So for an M+ customer waiting until Tivo has been rolled out to the whole Virgin customer base (which may take another 18 to 24 months) could turn out to prove an awful lot cheaper than signing up now.

    I suppose a particularly underhanded Virgin marketing person might therefore also feel inclined to badger Tivo to cancel the UK Tivo S1 service so that Virgin customers do not have any alternative to retain Tivo service other than to sign up with Virgin regardless of the significant additional costs of doing so.
     
  7. Feb 2, 2011 #387 of 549
    abuelbanat

    abuelbanat TiVo 'til I die.

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    and yet curiously none of the improved features that the new one carries over the S1. You always conveniently only provide half an argument in your frequent glass-half-empty-pessimistic-as-f**k-i-hate-almost-everyone-and-everybody posts don't you hoks?

    I was told that I must remain on XL for my 12month contract - so a not unreasonable assumption would be that I could trade down after 12months should I wish.
     
  8. Feb 2, 2011 #388 of 549
    Pete77

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    What evidence do we have that your parents watch any less telly than you do. All we actually in fact know is that they just aren't willing to pay for a very expensive way to watch it. For instance do you have any evidence that people who drive Ford Escorts or Opel Corsas drive any less miles per annum than people who drive a Ferrari, Porsche or Rolls Royce? No of course not. All that is in fact true is that they have less money available to spend on each mile of driving that they do.

    Strangely enough it is the frequent nonsense that you so often come out with in your posts that is the main reason that I also find it useful to keep any eye on them.;):p:D
     
  9. Feb 2, 2011 #389 of 549
    cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    You might want to go back to the 70s and tell Radio Rentals that the renting model is "questionable". Or maybe BrightHouse. And £3 isn't "large" by rental standards. (Okay, they might not charge the 'upfront fee' but the principal's the same/

    Oh please :rolleyes: If I were that bored or dissatisfied then nothing would make me want to keep paying out. Of course, it sounds like you would mean it as an 'empty threat'; a bluff which really should be called.

    If that did happen then one would be available anyway. Of course the price will come down over time. Look at the the V+.

    Well done on stating the bleedin' obvious.

    Oh I do love a good conspiracy theory. :rolleyes: I'm sure you can do better than that if you really put some thought into it!
     
  10. Feb 3, 2011 #390 of 549
    laurence@key2.co

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    It is expensive. I really don't need all those channels and the S1 with all the hacks and a decent freeview box does everything I need. Obviously the thought of a brand new version of my favourite gadget was hard to resist.
    My new TiVo arrives in 2 weeks.
     
  11. Feb 3, 2011 #391 of 549
    Pete77

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    Fortunately those of us living outside Virgin cable tv land do not have to face this financial dilemma.

    We might however face a similar dilemma of whether to put up with Freeview+ HD, BBC/ITV Freesat+ HD or Windows MCE if the Tivo S1 service is ever axed. I'm pretty sure it will be Windows MCE in my case as the only way to be able to record all of the satellite and DTT FTA channels. I don't like the walled garden concept of BBC/ITV Freesat.
     
  12. Feb 3, 2011 #392 of 549
    Pete77

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    It seems strange then that Sky manage to successfully retain many of their customers who had intended to cancel by offering them their current channel package at half price for the next 6 months.:rolleyes:
     
  13. Feb 3, 2011 #393 of 549
    cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    The original Tivo was (IIRC) £400 + £200 LT or £10 pm sub. :eek:

    So the new one's actually quite cheap ;)
     
  14. Feb 3, 2011 #394 of 549
    Pete77

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    Haven't you noticed how the price of most other technology items like satnavs and laptop PCs has fallen by a massive amount in the last 10 years.

    So the Virgin Tivo is still expensive, especially compared to a Sky+ HD box.
     
  15. Feb 3, 2011 #395 of 549
    RichardJH

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    Yes I have. By giving up my 2 standard STB's which at the moment are feeding my 2 S1 Tivo's but keeping my existing V+ I will be saving £2.50 a month
     
  16. Feb 3, 2011 #396 of 549
    Pete77

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    But now you will have one less cable tv box than before on subscription and presumably were already also an XL customer so not exactly entirely surprising.

    Will you be using these Tivos at all now? Perhaps by feeding them with a Freeview signal instead?
     
  17. Feb 3, 2011 #397 of 549
    laurence@key2.co

    laurence@key2.co Loz

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    In the short term anyway! I found it easiest to justify by only taking into account first year's cost. Then I changed the subject.
     
  18. Feb 3, 2011 #398 of 549
    Milhouse

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    Have you included the £10/month Sky sub in your calculation? After a couple of years the VM TiVo will start to come out on top, and of course will still be serviced by VM whereas your increasingly expensive and increasingly likely to fail Sky box will be up a creek without a paddle.
     
  19. Feb 3, 2011 #399 of 549
    Pete77

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    Hopefully if you can switch to their M+ package after a year or 18 months then the cost will only be £6.25 per month + £3 per month Tivo fee.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2011 #400 of 549
    teresatt

    teresatt TiVo TiVo TiVo!

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    I paid £300 for my Sky+ HD box and it failed just after the end of it's guarantee. Thankfully by then Virgin had a crop of HD channels so I came back.

    So £149 for TiVo with a lifetime guarantee is going to be far better value for money for me.

    I know Sky+ Hd is a lot less now, but I always seem to buy just before the price drop. So this time I'm going straight in.
     

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