Game over :-(

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by Furball, Jun 13, 2011.

  1. spitfires

    spitfires wassock

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    An 01x number was chosen as the preferred dial-up number since most people have it in inclusive call packages (whereas an 0845 number would be excluded). If you're not on an inclusive call package then you will need to check the rate from your phone company since they are all different! BT charge up to 2p/min for 0845 and up to 7.6p/min for 01x (both are cheaper at weekends). Watch out for that insidious 'connection charge' for each call you make though!

    The initial calls will take about 30 minutes. A Daily Call will take less than 5 minutes. Pete worked out the 'worst case' annual cost to be about £80 a year in call costs. i.e. still significantly less than the £120 a year we were paying to TiVo.


    p.s. you should really be discussing this on the tivoland forum not on here. ;)
     
  2. michael401

    michael401 Member

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    Yes the minimum an old PC with a hard disc will draw will be about 60w. If it was on 24/7 then it would cost about 25p a day (= £90 a year).
     
  3. LarryDavid

    LarryDavid New Member

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    Well I was talking about the official service continuing on the 0845 number, so I plead the 5th ;)
     
  4. LarryDavid

    LarryDavid New Member

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    Does anyone offer 0845 as inclusive? It just sounded like an interesting/fun bit of work to do tbh. My unix/linux skills are somewhat rusty these days and it would be a good kick-start at re-learning some of it (or at least get me interested again).

    As people have argued, the electric cost vs the call cost vs not bothering at all means that ultimately the most likely scenario is that I'll be over to SKY+ exclusively and the TiVo will be mothballed (or sold). I had vague plans to pair it up with my old SKY SD box to keep it as an alternate recording possibility, as I liked the idea of the fun hacking that could be done with it (with or without the AltEPG image).

    However as with most of my 'must do that one day' projects its likely that none of this would come to pass!
     
  5. velocitysurfer1

    velocitysurfer1 Proud S1lifer

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    Talktalk has 0845 numbers inclusive at evening and weekends as part of their standard package.
     
  6. LarryDavid

    LarryDavid New Member

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    SKY bloody don't. Bar-stewards.
     
  7. Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

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    I have the BT anytime deal which includes 0845

    Automan.
     
  8. Trinitron

    Trinitron New Member

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    Most providers will block known 'internet dialup' lines from their free packages. Dunno whether this applies to the TiVo 0845 no, as I have Sky as well. :mad:

    As UUNet are now part of TalkTalk you would think they know about the number...
     
  9. LarryDavid

    LarryDavid New Member

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    One possibility might be onetel (talk talk phone provider). I've been signed up to that for years, long before TT bought it. It doesn't cost anything other than the cost of the calls you make and is free to sign up to. I believe there are a number of these about now.

    Their 0845 rates are only 1.53p off peak plus 12.5p connection charge.

    You access that via an access number which I know still works.

    You are supposed to use a # to signify the end of your number dial which >may< be a problem, but iirc it doesn't necessarily need that, it just waits for a bit and then assumes that you've finished dialling!

    I might give that a bash tonight and report back.

    0845 isn't the 'official' designation for ISP access I don't think, so I would hazard a guess that 0845 plans should cover this number too. YMMV of course.
     
  10. Trinitron

    Trinitron New Member

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    The problem with OneTel and other indirect providers is that they often plug into spare telco capacity, wherever they can find it. So one day you will get a solid connection, the next some flaky Voip job sent halfway across Europe that can't handle data very well.

    But definitely worth a try. :)
     
  11. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    FWIW at least one member has reported the altepg 0845 number to be included in his TalkTalk anytime plan,
    but AFAIK there's no way to confirm other than checking your bill after the call, as he did.

    As for the switch off -

    I guess we have to wait until the data runs out now to find out how many really still use their tivos.

    Altepg has 800ish users, but many will stick with the standard epg until data runs out,
    either by choice or ignorance of altepg existing, or even not realising the switch off applies to them.

    Many people will ignore messages until the tivo stops working.
     
  12. AMc

    AMc Active Member

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    If you can be bothered then you don't need to connect every day. I know the official service provided most data for the week on Sundays but as AltEPG has a different data provider it probably works differently.
    If it were me I would change the dial prefix and forget about it but you could always connect the phone line every few days to save the pennies on connection charges...

    BTW my Networked machine just did this...

    The following daily call information is available:
    Last successful call: Wed, 15 Jun at 01:39
    Next scheduled call: Thu, 16 Jun at 01:42
    Guide data exists through: Mon, 04 Jul 2011
     
  13. Steve_K

    Steve_K Member

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    :up: Thanks, wasn't aware of that

    That link isn't the only good material over there. A lot of very well written advice.

    For now though I'll stick with the TiVo 0845 (is that alt alt EPG?) which probably means it'll stop tonight. Was very good yesterday though. EPG data to July 5th
     
  14. Benedict

    Benedict Always Thinking!

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    The core data is not common though, even if large parts of it similar. Channel numbers, channel line-up changes, additions/deletions of channels etc. that are specific to Sky and Freeview will be completely different for Virgin. Many Freeview channels (that start/finish broadcasting later/earlier than their Virgin eqivalent) have a completely different Freeview callsign in the TiVo database.

    e.g. If Sky or Freeview re-numbered all of their channels tomorrow, why would TiVo/Tribune bother reflecting these changes in their data as it doesn't impact on their Virgin customer base one bit?

    It's going to end at some point folks, it just feels like it may be dismantled bit by bit rather than a big switch-off.
     
  15. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    The official number is off - so the service is now officially dead.

    Just because there may still be unofficial back doors into it, either by hardware(cachecards) or by other phone numbers, doesn't alter that fact.

    Heavy speculation:

    1) TiVo still get tribune data for the UK in order to provide it to VM
    2) This data is held in one database and there's scripts to produce S1 Thomson data and VM data from that.

    If the above is true, then providing they don't disable the S1 script network/ alternative phone number users could stay on.
    Big assumptions though.
     
  16. LarryDavid

    LarryDavid New Member

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    If its possible to do that, and indeed that's what happens, you'd have to wonder why they didn't save themselves a lot of face and announce a change to a local rate number everyone can use should they so wish?

    Just thinking out loud, lets not start going round in circles about what's legal and what isn't contractually viable etc. etc. again!
     
  17. PhilG

    PhilG New Member

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    Well....

    Given that you cannot get data for a Tivo unless said Tivo is REGISTERED and has an appropriate account status, it's certainly not (quite) dead yet

    So long as Tivo keep acknowledging my serial number is in the "ok" list, things can keep on for a while longer yet

    I guess at some point they'll stop providing data (or they could terminate all our accounts) but it certainly doesn't feel like death yet
     
  18. TCM2007

    TCM2007 New Member

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    Asides from whether they physically bar access, the thing to look for is a line up change on Sky or Freeview - Tribune no longer have any need to put those through, unless there are other customers for the data and the TiVo feed is simply automated.

    Are channels which are not on VM still being updated?
     
  19. michael401

    michael401 Member

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    I thought I read on one of the forums that Sky channels for NI had disappeared - because VM don't have any customers in NI was the suggested reason.

    Or maybe I dreamt that!
     
  20. alek

    alek New Member

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    I am pretty sure vm cable is available in Belfast.

    Not absolutely sure mind.


    Alek
     

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