Game of Thrones "The Watchers on the Wall" 6/08/14 S4E9

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  1. Jun 9, 2014 #101 of 271
    Shaunnick

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    I stand corrected.
     
  2. Jun 9, 2014 #102 of 271
    tlc

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    Right? People often compromise when facing death (especially that of loved ones). Besides, do we know what their not-gonna-bend-a-knee plan is if they get themselves south of the wall? 100,000 raiders, raiding for food? Take and hold some land and become farmers?

    We've established that there's a lot of unused land in the North. Maybe it's not the best farmland (compared to the South), but if they can live north of the wall...
     
  3. Jun 9, 2014 #103 of 271
    tlc

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    I liked the Scythe. That was a surprise. Although it looked like enough ice broke loose with it, that the ice could've gotten all the climbers. In fact, you don't need to haul heavy stuff up the wall over time to prep for defense. Just carve off and stack blocks of ice as it accumulates.
     
  4. Jun 9, 2014 #104 of 271
    Rob Helmerichs

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    But once the Great Evil shows up at the wall, I suspect the Wildlings and the Westerosi will be in a position to say "Let's just put our differences aside and deal with this threat to all of us. If we survive, we can re-open the question of our own coexistence."
     
  5. Jun 9, 2014 #105 of 271
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Let's be clear - you have a problem with the way the gate was rendered in CGI. Not with the way it was "designed" or "constructed." Should the person who created the CGI have been a little more detailed on how that type of fortification should have been depicted and how it should operate? Yes. Does it matter? Not one bit.

    In order for the Scythe to operate as it did, it had to be buried in the ice a few hundred feet off to the right of where the climbers were coming up. That way, it could fall to the left and do the damage that it did. So it's unlikely that anyone was climbing that far to the side.

    Although given Mance Rayder's knowledge of the Wall's defenses, he should have directed the climbers to go off to their left or right in order to alleviate that potential danger. And also, it seems that the danger posed by the Scythe is that if you're below the Scythe but using a rope to climb, it cuts your rope. And if you're right at the level of the Scythe, it cuts you in half. But if you're not using a rope or you're below that level, then it's really not that dangerous, right? So basically, the decision of when to cut the Scythe loose is just a guessing game as to whether it will actually get any of the climbers.
     
  6. Jun 9, 2014 #106 of 271
    Jonathan_S

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    It also appears to break loose a heck of a lot of ice fragments; which then rained down the face of the wall.

    I think you'd probably be pretty dead if you were climbing anywhere below the arc of the Scythe. (But one Scythe can still only protect a strictly limited length of wall)
     
  7. Jun 9, 2014 #107 of 271
    desulliv

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    I'm betting on #3.



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  8. Jun 9, 2014 #108 of 271
    john4200

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    Wrong. The design was self-evident. The rendering was fine -- it looked like a gate. The problem was with the design.
     
  9. Jun 9, 2014 #109 of 271
    Anubys

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    Jon Snow:"So you and Gilly never...?"

    Sam: "No! She just had a baby!"

    long pause

    Sam: "And she never offered"

    :D
     
  10. Jun 9, 2014 #110 of 271
    DevdogAZ

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    Right. The design of a visual effect by the makers of the TV show. Not the design of the gate by the builders of the Wall. There's a difference. As we've seen in the show, the gate can be opened and closed by someone on the inside of the tunnel/Castle Black, and it doesn't appear that they have to relay that request to someone on top of the wall who then lifts the gate from above/outside.

    So clearly the gate is intended to be internally controlled. Clearly it's not something that can be opened or operated from the outside. And clearly whoever created the CGI renderings of the gate didn't do a very good job of that. But who cares. We know that the Night's Watch can operate the gate from their side of the Wall. That's all we need to know.
     
  11. Jun 9, 2014 #111 of 271
    MikeAndrews

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    "Open THE F'INK GATE!"

    --"I've never heard you swear before."
     
  12. Jun 9, 2014 #112 of 271
    john4200

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    Wrong again. Both from appearance and what actually happened, it obviously can be opened from the outside.

    Your implication that what the gate looks like is irrelevant is strange. If we do not care how things look, then why watch the show at all? Just read it instead.
     
  13. Jun 9, 2014 #113 of 271
    jay_man2

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    Me too.
     
  14. Jun 9, 2014 #114 of 271
    DevdogAZ

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    This is a show adapted from previously-written material. By all accounts, the previously-written material is extremely intricate in the way it details things. I wouldn't know, I haven't read it. I don't know if the way the gate works is detailed in the books. But I'm reasonably confident that GRRM intended the gate to be well designed. I think I remember reading/hearing that within the universe of the books, The Wall is considered one of the world's true engineering masterpieces.

    I think it's safe to say that the way the gate has been shown to physically operate in the show is in contradiction to the way the gate has been visually depicted in the show. Given that contradiction, I'm choosing to view it as the physical operation is what the writers/GRRM intended and the visual depiction is just an artist's concept that nobody looked at closely enough to realize it contradicted the physical operation.

    Thus, it's one of those cases that happens ALL THE TIME in TV/Movies where we simply have to accept that the technical inaccuracies depicted on screen are immaterial, and the physical operation as depicted on screen is what the author was intending to convey.
     
  15. Jun 9, 2014 #115 of 271
    stellie93

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    I like that Sam has found a loophole in the vows that make it ok to have sex as long as you aren't married and father no children. :D
     
  16. Jun 9, 2014 #116 of 271
    pendragn

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    That's an old loophole. I used to joke that having sex with my girlfriend was not pre-marital sex if I never get married.
     
  17. Jun 9, 2014 #117 of 271
    Anubys

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    I'm willing to bet any argument you make is going to be wrong as far as he is concerned ;)
     
  18. Jun 9, 2014 #118 of 271
    MikeAndrews

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    LOL. The gate we see is a prop on a ramshackle set in Ireland(?). The word was that they had to make a considerable effort to get enough in the set to pull this episode off.

    The gate doesn't have to work for real any more than than the doors in Star Trek.
     
  19. Jun 9, 2014 #119 of 271
    tlc

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    (archer friend): "I killed one! Shot him right through the heart!"

    pause

    Sam: "Is it over then? (pause) Right, here you go."
     
  20. Jun 9, 2014 #120 of 271
    DevdogAZ

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    Unfortunately, I won't take that bet because the odds would be 1 trillion to 1 against. (In other words, you're absolutely right and I don't know why I'm bothering, but I just couldn't help myself.)

    The exteriors of The Wall area are shot in Iceland, but it's possible that there may have been some of the interiors of the Castle Black stuff shot on sets in Northern Ireland.
     

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