Game of Thrones "The Watchers on the Wall" 6/08/14 S4E9

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  1. Jun 9, 2014 #21 of 271
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The Watch used to be enough. But it's been so long since there's been a real threat, nobody believes a real threat exists any more, so they figure there's no need for more than a skeleton crew to keep the Wildlings at bay.
     
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    Bolton is supposed to help (As Ned Stark would have). But Bolton is still just leaving Moat Cailin; which is at the south end of his territory. We know Winterfell is weeks away from the Wall (I'm thinking a month), and he's a couple of weeks away from Winterfell.

    They are on their own unless Stannis has been on his way (we have no clue where Stannis is) and magically appears just in time with an army bought with the Braavos money.
     
  3. Jun 9, 2014 #23 of 271
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    I agree.
     
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    Maybe they are like giants in the Harry Potter world. Dumb but strong.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2014 #25 of 271
    Anubys

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    Mance isn't dumb. Instead of the mammoth, all he needed was to tell those 2 giants to lift the gate!
     
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    Anubys

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    Oh, and lucky that Ygritte didn't let go of her arrow as she got shot :rolleyes:
     
  7. Jun 9, 2014 #27 of 271
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    Maybe he assumed that the keepers of the gate were not dumb, and it was likely locked?
     
  8. Jun 9, 2014 #28 of 271
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    And we all could have predicted her last words would have been "You know nothing Jon Snow"
     
  9. Jun 9, 2014 #29 of 271
    Shaunnick

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    There were 19 forts I think.

    They did this in season two with the Battle of the Blackwater and the story overall did not suffer for it.
     
  10. Jun 9, 2014 #30 of 271
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    I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. (dot)
     
  11. Jun 9, 2014 #31 of 271
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    I'd guess that it's a time/distance issue. They could probably request help via Raven Express, but it would probably take longer than they could hold out just for the ravens to get to their destination, let alone for help to reach the Wall.
     
  12. Jun 9, 2014 #32 of 271
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Or maybe he assumed it would be better to have a smashed gate than one being held up by his strongest fighters...
     
  13. Jun 9, 2014 #33 of 271
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    I thought it was pretty boring as well.
     
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    once it's up, you prop it open with a lever of some kind!

    Do I have to do ALL the thinking around here? ;) :D
     
  15. Jun 9, 2014 #35 of 271
    Shaunnick

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    Interesting mix of feelings being posted here. I guess it comes down to how invested some are in the Night's Watch, or in particular invested in Sam and Jon, since they are who we should care about at the Wall.
     
  16. Jun 9, 2014 #36 of 271
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    They did request help via Raven Express, from all five Kings
     
  17. Jun 9, 2014 #37 of 271
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    I'd agree - with a season of only 10 episodes to put only one scene/character in a whole 60 minutes, was a bit much. I really wanted them to at least put 10 minutes in to the situation at King's Landing, or with Arya and The Hound.

    It quite had the feel of wanting to be as big as Blackwater Bay, but it wasn't.

    As a viewer I had no connection to Mance, his wildlings, and minimal familiarity with the Phens and the other Wildling commander that was captured in Castle Black.

    Where as during the battle of Blackwater Bay, there were tons of (relevant/primary) characters that were involved in/around the battle.

    This is why I felt this episode was a bit flat for me.
     
  18. Jun 9, 2014 #38 of 271
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    I thought it was a great episode, and the CGI was top notch! The only thing that didn't make sense to me was how they were able to hold the South side of the wall. If Castle Black only has 100 or so men, and half of them were on top of the wall, that would only leave 50 down below. It seemed like the group that Tormund led had way more men than that, and they were probably much more competent fighters than most of the Night's Watch.

    My guess is that they now have no choice but to collapse the tunnel before the Wildlings return. Since there is only one more episode left, though, we probably won't see any more of The Wall until next season.
     
  19. Jun 9, 2014 #39 of 271
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    Someone remind me why the Wall is so important to the attackers? So they can freely migrate south?
     
  20. Jun 9, 2014 #40 of 271
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    I don't particularly care about the Night's Watch story, at least until this episode. I've found most of Jon's forays North of the wall pretty boring actually, but for some reason, I found this battle scene intriguing. Maybe part of it is how they set up Sam's decision whether to join his brothers or to protect the girl and her baby. And then I enjoy Jon taking charge. To me those two stories, for this episode were compelling. As were what happened with Ygrite.

    I know many of us are wrapped up in the Tyrion story line and perhaps the Sansa/Littlefinger or Arya/Hound, but I think this was necessary. I'm not sure they could have done the battle justice by jumping around and spending a few minutes on it.
     

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