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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by MikeAndrews, May 6, 2012.
Yes. Someone from the crowd yelled "he's a bastard"
even Ned's "proof" is circumstantial at best. All the Baratheon kids have black hair. Joffrey has blonde hair. Cersei and Jaime are RUMORED to have sex with each other.
Cersei is Blonde; maybe her seed was stronger than Robert's!
In the show, Ned raven-mailed Stannis with the truth. Stannis knows what he knows to be true because Ned confirmed it for him. Stannis then raven-mailed the entire country. Some people believe Stannis, some don't.
Ned also had Cersei's confession after he confronted her with the truth.
That's what I thought. And that's the reason why Stannis believes he should be King.
...a conversation that Cersei surely denies ever having taken place
Also Cersei as much as admitted it to Ned, Ned may have included that in the raven he sent to Stannis. Also even if Stannis didn't believe Ned's raven, I think his suspicions might have been raised by Cersei and Goffrey's subsequent actions (Beheading Ned, killing of he bastards).
Also since Stannis wants to be king, he is probably more inclined to believe facts (or theories) that support the idea, kind of like the "Birthers" who refuse to believe Obama was born in Hawaii.
Not 'zactly. Ned wrote the document by hand and handed it to one of his men as a courier and said, "Put this in Lord Stanis's hand. Do not hand it to his man..."
As we saw Raven Express can be tapped with an arrow.
Right. Is there any true way to prove Joffrey isn't a Baratheon other than getting a confession from Cersei or Jamie? It's not as if they can run DNA. And hell even those two cannot be 100% certain unless she was only sleeping with Jamie and obviously that isn't the case or Robert would have known.
I don't think there's any way it can be proven. So Joffrey will just have to die, preferably slowly.
Stannis specifically mentions later that Ned intended for him to be the heir, it was based off of the letter.
Agreed. Would Cersei herself even know for sure?! (I know I'm repeating what you just said, I just felt it deserved to be repeated!)
If I recall correctly, Cersei told Ned that she because Robert was always so drunk, she was able to "satisfy" Robert in other ways than intercourse. So it appears that Cersei was only having intercourse with Jamie when she got pregnant.
oh yeah...I remember that now. Thanks!
So we are to assume that he didn't remember NEVER having sex with her because she satisfied him in other ways? Not sure I buy that.
Well, like any other marriage, sex drops off (sigh) as the years go on. Especially in this one, I assume they did it enough at the beginning (don't forget the dark-haired boy who died as an infant) and then tailed off as time passed.
So he visited her every once in a while to do his duty (and probably to spite her and her family) and have more heirs. She let him visit at enough intervals to keep him from knowing the truth in case Jaime got her pregnant.
Remember, he was always very drunk. All she would have to do the next morning is swoon over how awesome he was and he'd believe her.
Plus he screwed around. A lot.
That really works? Who knew!