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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by MikeAndrews, May 6, 2012.
Too bad you can't follow the show without the books. The shows have been quite clear.
Tywin is there, but has no contact with Arya
Just put everybody who talks about the books here on ignore. Everybody will be happier.
This is all my fault, and I'm sorry.
I don't care about people who read the book talking about it (it seems strange, since this is a thread about a show, but I respect their right to do so). I don't care if they put things in spoilers. I even learn a few things from people who give BACKGROUND info (which was very helpful in season 1).
What I complained about is the argument about "should we do this?" "is this allowed"...which is exactly what I started AGAIN, by my rant/plea (I thought I was pleading not to start, some people might consider it a rant).
My point is that we've discussed this. We all have differing views. People who read the book want to post. Some of us like it, some of us hate it, some are indifferent. So let's not argue about it. Let's everybody do what they will do ANYWAY and let's just put spoiler stuff in spoiler text.
I did NOT want to know that the dragons being taken away was not in the books. That information should have gone to the other thread.
While it's not in the rules, I just think it's just the respectful thing to do. Many of us here watch the show, but want to read the books too. To me, and this is my opinion, discussing the books here can ruin my enjoyment of the books. In fact, the fun part of reading the books AFTER the seeing the show is finding out how they differ. Reading about it here is just as much a spoiler as revealing what will happen in the next episode. That's why there's another thread for it. Just have a little respect for those of us he either haven't read the book yet and want to, or, and maybe even worse, are in the middle of the book and don't want to have it ruined for them. And this is even MORE an issue since it's been stated that there are some serious deviations from the book.
But I'm sure you won't see it my way.
And for Uther, who says block everyone, yeah, right, it's really hard to block someone AFTER they gave away a plot point form the book. I don't have a crystal ball to know who's going to post book stuff.
And I noticed that most of the people who say that it should be ok to post book stuff are relative newcomers to here (or don't post a lot). I think those of us who come regularly understand that there are written rules, but also UNWRITTEN ones that we all respect.
Lurkers understand the rules. Don't hate because of low post counts.
Did I seriously just waste time on my vacation reading two pages of yet another book vs non book BS in this thread? For the love of Jeff people. Your spend more time arguing this point than talking about either. It's F'ing ridiculous!
IMO I stand by my opinion that Littlefinger recognized her. I see him as someone that not much gets past and he'll save that info until it serves his interest (or pocket) to reveal.
If you are on vacation, what are you doing HERE?
Yeah, I know, we keep harping on it and nothing changes, but there's always some new voice that comes in and starts it all over again.
And I agree with your assessment.
I think people simply HOPE that LittleFinger didn't recognize Arya (because we all love her and want her safe). But if you put your feelings aside and think of it logically, Arya lived at King's Landing for a few months. LittleFinger should recognize her instantly; this is the Hand of the King's daughter, after all.
Saying he wouldn't recognize her would be the same as saying Cersei or Joffrey wouldn't recognize her.
It is very hard as a book reader to make comments in this thread. If it's that big a deal to everyone, then maybe we should do two different threads, book and non-book.
Okay, I'm out of this thread then. Later!
OK, lets discuss the show.
The Lannisters have quite a situation here. According to the rules of the land (both written and unwritten) their house has no real claim to the throne. But they've decided they want to rule anyway, and they just want everyone else to go along with their rule. So here they are, getting attacked left and right by Robb Stark saying "you have no right to rule...you have no more claim to the throne than any of us."
So Joffrey is just sitting here on his throne thinking "I just want to rule my lands in peace. For the love of the old gods and the new, can't you just take your little fights about who is King somewhere else? Westeros is my Kingdom. If you want to fight over who is king, go do it over in Essos. There's plenty of land their for your little wars".
But Robb is just like "I want to stay here. I'll be glad to end these wars if you'll just let us coexist. If you don't like what goes on in the North, then just ignore any of the ravens from the north."
But Joffrey is like "please, I've already been hit by a cowpie. I don't want your ravens pooping on me too."
So how do they solve this? With a beheading? The last time Joffrey tried to solve his problem with a beheading, it just got him into an even bigger mess.
Meanwhile, Dany is over in the paradise of Qarth, trying to enjoy a break from all the fighting, and now she's like "holy crap, who just took my dragons".
This show is so exciting. Can't wait to see what happens next.
But isn't Joffrey a Baratheon, not a Lannister? He is king because he inherited the throne from his "father". So isn't the throne considered to be held by a Baratheon? Or is it considered Lannister because his mother is queen regent?
Yes, Joff is a Baratheon and his throne derives from Robert. If some real proof were to appear that he is a bastard from incest, his claim to the throne vanishes and his mother becomes less than nothing.
He's a Baratheon in name only. His bloodlines are just Lannister as he's a product of Ceirce and Jamie. Since that secret is essentially out, that means he has no claim.
To me, there are two who have a true claim. Stannis (as Ned Stark said) as brother of Robert, and Danys, as the linear heir to the throne through the Targaryans. But Dany lost her claim by her father losing the war with Robert. She'd have to win it back via conquest.
Dany lost her claim by not having a penis. Women don't stand in line for the throne in Westeros (with the exception of Dorne) period. There has never been a woman sitting on the Iron Throne and it would be quite a departure if one did.
That's not to say she can't and won't conquer Westeros and change things, but the way it stands, she has no claim.
So far publicly there has only been an accusation that Joffrey is a bastard. Stannis is making his claim to the throne using that accusation but has no proof. Besides us TV watchers the only people who know the truth are the ones in power (or are dead). They certainly aren't going to make that information public. So as far as the public really knows Joffrey is the king with the true claim.
I'd say it is similar to the accusation that President Obama isn't an American. No one has shown any real proof but the accusation has been made. Difference of course is that this accusation is not true.
Wasn't there a guy shouting on street corners saying that Joffrey is illegitimate? I thought the story had spread pretty far. After all, if Stannis wants to use it to claim the throne, he needs the people to know why his claim is just and be behind him.
I could be wrong in my memory of what happened, but I thought Ned's proof had gotten to Stannis.