Game of Thrones - "The Old Gods and New" - S2E6 - 5/06/12 ***spoilers***

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  1. May 8, 2012 #61 of 142
    allan

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    I actually feel a bit sorry for Theon. I think he could have been a decent person, but his alienation at the Stark's, and relationship with his father have steered him on a very wrong path.

    OTOH, the only time I like Joffrey is when he's getting slapped by someone. Or plastered with cow stuff. :D
     
  2. May 8, 2012 #62 of 142
    audioscience

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    He doesn't? He was treated kindly, like one of their own. He was never cast down or looked down upon by the Stark family. They treated him as best as they could, to the point that Robb Stark treated him as a brother and his most trusted ally in battle. To the point that he sent him to get ships from his father. Robb trusted that he would return. The Starks didn't do anything to him. The Starks are the most honorable family in the seven kingdoms.

    Exactly, else why did he go to Pyke with good intentions? Surely he wanted to be thought of as dutiful and loved by his "adopted" family as well as his real family. "Look at me father! Look at how well I've done! I'm a great warrior and a man!" Unfortunately Theon didn't think of how his father would look at him, nor what would be expected of him. They do things MUCH differently on the Iron Islands.

    We find that he is practically rejected by his own family, and it's by they Greyjoys that he's looked down upon. He's looked down upon because of circumstances that were wrought by his father, not him. Theon didn't chose to be sent away.

    This is the sad tragedy that is Theon; he has to choose going against those who cared for him and treated him well over his own true family who reject him and treat him unkindly.

    This further proves the point that the Starks treated Theon as a brother. They grew up with him at Winterfell and he was undoubtedly there since Bran can remember. "Why would my veritable brother take the castle? He's welcome here anytime. In fact, he lives here."

    Me too. :(
     
  3. May 8, 2012 #63 of 142
    Aniketos

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    Heh. The show also helps make the characters more redeemable. Either because the actor is really good, or things changed from the book. Except Joffrey.
     
  4. May 8, 2012 #64 of 142
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    Speaking for someone thats read to midway book 4. I'm really disliking the dirrection the show is heading. YES I know that TV shows/Movies are never like the book. But they generaly keep things pretty much on point when they translate them. This episode (without having to spoilerize anything) is starting to go down a path that concerns me. I watched all of season one prior to reading the books. I read after season one was complete. The book/season was almost 1 for 1. I know the crew has stated they won't be following season 2 : book 2 ratio. Which is fine....but for them to change such major points of the book concerns me. Yes I know...the book is the book...and the show is ...the show. But it's suppose to be a translated version of the book, not a different story. Yes that can be adapted to many different things. It just concerns me that they are changing it up just to "Hollywood" things up. IE: The dragons being taken just to create a "OH NO" at the end of the episode is prime example of what bothers me. I hope they don't continue this trend.
     
  5. May 8, 2012 #65 of 142
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    You're hinting at the dragon story being different. Good thing I don't care about that arc at all.
     
  6. May 8, 2012 #66 of 142
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    I really like this show, but would like it so much better without the mythological elements that seem unnecessary.
     
  8. May 8, 2012 #68 of 142
    audioscience

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    Hate to tell you there are only going to be more.
     
  9. May 9, 2012 #69 of 142
    MikeAndrews

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    Hey! THAT GUY took Needle! Arya needs to run to go pick his bones.
     
  10. May 9, 2012 #70 of 142
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    I really liked how that wilding kept teasing Jon Snow. But I could not help but think how awesome Christina Hendricks would have been in that role :D
     
  11. May 9, 2012 #71 of 142
    Steveknj

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    Finally got to watch last night...a few thoughts based on that and the comments here.

    I have no doubt that Littlefinger knows it's Arya (or recognizes her as someone he knows). Certainly Arya recognized him, as she was trying to stay in the shadows the whole scene. I guess I was wrong about Tywin knowing who she is though. Littlefinger will use Arya as leverage. Didn't he already promise (to Cat perhaps) that he can get her daughters out of Kings Landing?

    Glad Sansa wasn't raped. I hated her haughtiness the first season, but I like her now and feel bad for her. I think the Hound like protecting her. I don't think he loves her as a lover, but more as a protector and father.

    I think the guy who wants to marry Dany is the one behind the stealing of the dragons. I think he was playing on her to get her trust, and if he got the dragons by marriage, so be it, but since that wasn't going to work, he did what he had to. He kept hinting that he didn't get to his stature by being a nice guy, and I think this proves it. I think he was in on it with the others though. I think he saw the potential in having those dragons and that's why he insisted they let her in the first place.

    It was painful watching Theon botch the execution. You can tell he's not cut out to be a ruler. He's a conflicted soul. On one hand he wants to please his real father and prove his sister wrong about him. On the other hand, he still feels loyalty to the Starks. Unfortunately (for Theon), I think Robb will get the last laugh on Theon in the end.

    No Stannis story this week.

    I think Arya ultimately will use the last of her killings on Tywin. Is she's smart enough, she might realize that killing the head of the snake might be the best way to get her revenge. On the other hand, it COULD make Joffrey (and Cercei) much more powerful.

    I wonder how much more of Tyrion Joff and Cercei will take? Remember there were some pretty powerful hands before Tyrion (granted NOT a Lannister). I'm actually surprised they haven't gone whining to Tywin about Tyrion. At some point, I will think they will plot to have Tyrion killed, much like the did with Robert.

    I'm also going to wait to read the books. I thought book one and season one were pretty close. I guess that's not the case with book 2. Thus, I don't want to read the books and have it ruin my enjoyment of the show (or vice versa).
     
  12. May 9, 2012 #72 of 142
    Steveknj

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    Oh, forgot to add about Jon Snow. I kept thinking while he was chasing the wildling girl that he was getting hopelessly lost. Then I kept thinking this could wind up being an "Alive" moment for him, where he eventually kills her and eats her to survive. The spooning was kind of funny (especially since I watched this after watching an episode of Family Guy that was about...spooning). Snow is just so naive. I used to like his character, but I'm not sure if I do much anymore. I think he's going to wind up getting people killed because he doesn't listen. He needed to off her, but didn't.
     
  13. May 9, 2012 #73 of 142
    allan

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    I consider that a major difference. I want to see those kicks!
     
  14. May 9, 2012 #74 of 142
    Anubys

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    See, I think Jon Snow might discover that not all Wildlings are the same. We know Osha is not.
     
  15. May 9, 2012 #75 of 142
    Steveknj

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    Possible. But I think Jon Snow is just too impulsive. It was shown a few times already, most notibaly his leaving the Wall to go fight with Robb last year and had to be convinced to come back. I see a scenario where he follows the wildling and wind up putting his cohorts in danger.

    But I've been wrong about so much already :)
     
  16. May 9, 2012 #76 of 142
    Lars_J

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    You keep saying "you know"... But I'm not sure you truly understand what it involved in an adaptation. (Translation is not a proper term) Adaptations range from very faithful to details, to faithful to themes, and just loosely based. By ANY reasonable metric, GOT has been one of the most faithfully adapted multi-novel books.

    A different story??? This kind of exaggeration frankly enrages me. The change of minor character fates, and minor events in the scope of the larger story does NOT(!!!) make it a "different story".

    Dany book discussion...
    Most fans agree that the Dany story in book 2 is the weakest part of her journey - and the weakest part of the book. Besides a significant prophetic event, nothing of significance occurs in Qarth. As part of the adaptation they have opted to externalize her struggles into a more explicit character building journey. And there is no reason why the end-game of her Qarth journey will be the same as the book - so it will likely have no long term impact. Also, the lack of threat of someone trying to take her dragons at that point in the story could be argue to be a plot hole.
     
  17. May 9, 2012 #77 of 142
    Anubys

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    For the love of God, let's PLEASE not start another argument over the book versus the show. This is a thread about the show (yes, I understand it's based on the book). We can't possibly go over this in every thread, can we?
     
  18. May 9, 2012 #78 of 142
    fmowry

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    Love of Old God or New God?
     
  19. May 9, 2012 #79 of 142
    Steveknj

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    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=486826

    Discuss away. Lets talk about the show here, I agree. I know it's hard, but pretend the book doesn't exist :)
     
  20. May 9, 2012 #80 of 142
    Anubys

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    LOL. Joken's Red God seems to like math, I'll go with him!
     

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