Game of Thrones "The House of Black and White" S05E02 4/19/15

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  1. Apr 20, 2015 #1 of 104
    LordKronos

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    Interesting episode...it picked up speed a little over last week.

    The Wall - I knew there was no way Jon was going to take the Stark name, since that would make him Lord of Winterfell, and I've assumed that role is being saved for Bran (even though he's still young). But did we actually know that Jon was up for the position of Lord Commander? I had assumed the position was going to go to him somehow, but I never heard any mention of him being a candidate, and until they vote, they almost made it seem like he wasn't even a candidate. I was getting ready for Sam to make a last minute nomination for Jon, but since they already had all the voting chips and everything setup, clearly he was already in the running.

    Kings Landing - Interesting that Cersei doesn't even have Lannister support (who was that who snubbed her?). It's all falling apart on her really quickly. I wonder what Qyburn is planning on doing with that dwarf head. I'm also wondering if we're going to see what ever became of the Mountain after his experiments (and is the dwarf head related to this).
     
  2. Apr 20, 2015 #2 of 104
    Rob Helmerichs

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    No, they only had chips for the two candidates. Apparently, they added a third set after Sam's speech.
    That was her uncle, Tywin's brother, her ex-boy-toy (current a monk)'s father.
     
  3. Apr 20, 2015 #3 of 104
    gossamer88

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    Da boogie...
    Although I liked this episode, it felt more like a first episode. And the first could have easily been the second.

    Was surprised that Stannis did not punish Jon for mercifully killing Mance. Instead he rewards him!
     
  4. Apr 20, 2015 #4 of 104
    markp99

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    More dragons, please.
     
  5. Apr 20, 2015 #5 of 104
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Well, he was using the threat of punishment as a bribe to take him up on his offer to be his puppet at Winterfell (although that was an un-Stannis-like move; usually, he puts principle ahead of everything). But the brothers forestalled any either-or Stannis could have executed by electing him Commander.
     
  6. Apr 20, 2015 #6 of 104
    LordKronos

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    Maybe it was just the editing-for-dramatic-effect, but it seemed like he was already in the running. Everyone had all the chip, they were recapping the rules by explaining who each chip was for, Sam interrupted, and as soon as sam finished, they got to the vote...so it was like (even though they didn't get to Jon in the voting rules) everyone already knew how to vote for Jon. I'll have to rewatch and see if there were originally 2 or 3 voting posts on the table before sam spoke.


    Oh, Lancel's dad. I didn't recognize he was the same guy as last week.
     
  7. Apr 20, 2015 #7 of 104
    LordKronos

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    I felt the opposite. Last week was just setting up so many different things, setting all the stages, but very little actually happened. This week we only covered a few of the stories, but got more depth in them.
     
  8. Apr 20, 2015 #8 of 104
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I didn't get the impression Sam was interrupting the explanation...I thought he was interrupting before the voting could begin, in order to nominate Jon. Until Sam spoke, there was no hint that anybody was considering Jon...all the "speeches" before then were about the other two candidates.
     
  9. Apr 20, 2015 #9 of 104
    markp99

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    Loved Sam's description, "...sitting in a puddle of his own making." :)
     
  10. Apr 20, 2015 #10 of 104
    sbourgeo

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    Don't most people believe that Bran and Rickon were killed by Theon Greyjoy? Sansa and Arya are just considered "missing" at this point though and Winterfell would go to their husbands or sons if and when they turn up again.

    The guy is like Dr. Frankenstein, so whatever he's up to has got to be creepy. :D
     
  11. Apr 20, 2015 #11 of 104
    LordKronos

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    I'll have to rewatch. The candidates were already known, and that was just a chance for anyone to make some last minute campaigning for the candidates. When they were done, they said how to cast your vote and started to state who each chip was for, and I thought Sam interrupted in the middle of the second candidate's "the round chip is for so and so" explanation. But I guess re-watching will be key.

    But I suppose the important thing is, you seem to agree that, up to this point, we had no real indication that Jon was actually a candidate. So I was right all along, but just got the mistaken impression from this episode that I had missed something earlier.
     
  12. Apr 20, 2015 #12 of 104
    LordKronos

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    If Jon were made a real Stark, then he would be second in line after Rob, but before Bran, Rickon, and the girls. When I said "that role was being saved for Bran", I didn't mean by the people in westeros...I meant the author. I feel like Bran's story is to come back and take that role as King in the North and then do something really big related to whatever he's learning right now. If Jon were to be made a Stark, then Bran would never be eligible for that position as long as Jon were alive.
     
  13. Apr 20, 2015 #13 of 104
    MikeAndrews

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    Didn't Ja Hadar(sp?) go to the wrong, old face? As I remember, when he left Arya he had changed to a different guy. (OK. I suppose he can choose any face he wants.)

    If he's some sort of high falutin unique king /wizard / god of Braavos, why was he bumming around Westeros to be picked up as a criminal and imprisoned to be sent to the wall?
     
  14. Apr 20, 2015 #14 of 104
    DavidTigerFan

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    Ja'quen Hagar is a "faceless man". They are the assassins of Westeros.
     
  15. Apr 20, 2015 #15 of 104
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I suppose the face he wears at a given time depends on actor availability. :D
    He was there to recruit Arya? OK, it's a reach, but stranger things have happened on this show...maybe it's her destiny.
     
  16. Apr 20, 2015 #16 of 104
    MonsterJoe

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    Did the actor who plays uncle Kevan change? I remember him being blond and heavier set
     
  17. Apr 20, 2015 #17 of 104
    MonsterJoe

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    It wasn't jaqeun...just the same face as the one he wore when aria met him originally
     
  18. Apr 20, 2015 #18 of 104
    MikeAndrews

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    An interview with Tom Wlaschiha who plays Jaqen:
    http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/game...ium=referral&utm_campaign=pubexchange_article

    He rightly says that Arya could have ended the series by naming the top three to be killed.

    Again from me: If there are other "faceless men" why does Arya's answer the door? Why do the men of Braavos know to send her there?

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    Another guess on my part: The Titan statue stops being a statue and turns into a vengeful monster when Braavos is threatened.

    Oh. Daenerys' dragon (named "Dragon?") has a strong resemblance to the dog-faced Luck Dragon in The Never Ending Story.
     
  19. Apr 20, 2015 #19 of 104
    MonsterJoe

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    Just FYI to everyone, the link is a bit spoilery

    The dragon's name is drogon... a nod to khal drogo
     
  20. Apr 20, 2015 #20 of 104
    zordude

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    Every time I watch the intro now all I hear in my head is "Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage"
     

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