Game of Thrones S06E10 Season Finale The Winds of Winter

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  1. Robin

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    They've gone on and one about her love for her children so I don't think she intended for him to die. Maybe it's because she was going in to battle?
     
  2. Robin

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    But The King of the North...
     
  3. BitbyBlit

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    Yeah, and the witch's prophecy has now been fulfilled:

    Prophecy #2 could actually come to fruition twice. It will be interesting to see if Arya gets to Cersei before Daenerys. Based on the most recent update of Arya's list, it's just her and the Mountain left.

    I guess we'll have to see how badly she wants to go home versus get revenge first.

    Either that, or stay with Bran while Meera went to the Wall to get help.
     
  4. bobino

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    Jorah was pardoned by Robert for spying on Daenerys (giving info to Varys). This was revealed when Barristan Selmy found the pardon and confronted Jorah. It lead to his banishment by Daenerys.
     
  5. BitbyBlit

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    I don't think most people know she was responsible. And anyone who does most likely either does not have the power to stand up to her on that issue or prefers Cersei to have power more than the Sparrows.

    I think the point of them not knowing was to illustrate how inwardly focused the Citadel was. I'm sure news made it to Oldtown, but what little attention the Citadel paid to the outside world was only via official word, and they only cared about that for the purpose of making an entry in a history book.

    I thought Sam was kind of rude to the driver. He just jumped off without saying "thanks" or "goodbye". Hopefully he at least paid him well.

    There was no indication of how much time had passed between Varys meeting with Ellaria and Olenna, and Daenerys setting sail for Westeros. Presumably Varys wouldn't have stuck around Dorne waiting for something bad to happen in King's Landing that would cause Olenna to want to seek revenge on the Lannisters via an alliance with Daenerys. So he must have just recently arrived in Dorne, and was seeking their allegiance when the events in King's Landing unfolded.

    Given that the show didn't appear to have ignored how much time it would have taken Varys to have gotten to Dorne, I doubt they would have ignored that regarding his return.

    It's also possible Varys met up with them in Dorne before they sailed for King's Landing, but I don't think it would be unrealistic for it to turn out to have happened the other way.

    At the very least, Daenerys would have wanted assurances that Dorne was on her side before sailing for them. Maybe Varys sent a messenger, but even a messenger would have taken time to have gotten back to Meereen. And if they wanted to keep the alliance a secret for as long as possible, perhaps making people think Daenerys was sailing for Dorne in order to attack it first, Varys might not have trusted anyone else to bring that message back to Meereen.
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    The real question about Jon...probably the most important question in the world at this point...is did his parent just run away, or elope? Because if they married, he is not only a legitimate heir of the Starks (although only in line, since Ned's kids would come first), he is THE legitimate heir of the Targaryans. And the field of competitors has been pretty much cleared!
     
  7. smak

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    Yah, I love operatic music behind somebody doing harm to people.

    -smak-
     
  8. Dan203

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    Is next season the final season? Or are they planning on doing two more?

    I know they need to resolve all this king/queen stuff, but they also need to resolve the whole white walker thing too. Seems like a lot for a single season.
     
  9. BitbyBlit

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    It will also be interesting to see how Daenerys takes this news. Will she try to make a deal with Jon to let him be King in the North, while she becomes Queen in the South? Will Jon agree to give up his claim if she promises to use her army to help fight the White Walkers? Or will she be willing to give up her claim, and use her power to support Jon's?

    Jon is younger than Daenerys, so perhaps from Daenerys' point-of-view, she is still the rightful heir.
     
  10. john4200

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    Nope, Jon is several months older than Dany. Which makes her a funny kind of Aunt to him.

    But since Dany is female, it is irrelevant. Even if Dany were male, I don't know that age would be the deciding factor. It would probably be decided by their fathers, and the status of their fathers when they were born (assuming both were legitimate).
     
  11. DevdogAZ

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    Doesn't it also matter that Dany's father was king, while Jon's father never attained that title? So technically, Dany is the heir of the king, and Jon is the heir of the (deceased) heir.

    But of course, the most important item is whether Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. If not, then Jon is still a bastard and not in line for anything.
     
  12. Anubys

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    I hate being the one that corrects minor details...but it seems that it's a job nobody wants!

    I don't think he found the pardon, I think that Tywin sent details of the pardon to them to disrupt Dany's inner circle and sow seeds of mistrust.

    Just another little thing to show how brilliant Tywin really was. As Olenna said, it's not often that the truth resembles the legend.
     
  13. BitbyBlit

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    Ah, okay. I was confusing what happened to Elia with her mother. I thought her mother had been killed, and she was smuggled out of King's Landing as an infant, when in fact her mother, pregnant with her, was smuggled out.

    That's why I was saying that from Daenerys' point-of-view, she might still consider herself the rightful heir. From her point-of-view, gender shouldn't matter in terms of who has a claim to the throne.
     
  14. gossamer88

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    Yeah, she told Qyburn to burn Tommen and spread his ashes over the Sept of Baelor. As if that is where he belongs.
     
  15. RegBarc

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    Yeah the GoT subreddits pointed it out pretty much right when the episode ended. I think the isolated soundtrack got up on YouTube within an hour.
     
  16. DevdogAZ

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    She said he belonged with his siblings. Since Joffrey and Marcella were buried in the Sept, and now they've been burned and are nothing but ashes, she wants Tommen's to join them and have his ashes spread there as well.
     
  17. robojerk

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    Rhaegar Targaryen was married to Elia Martell of Dorne, the whole plot of the Viper and the Mountain battle/duel/trial by combat. Danny (only daughter of the mad king) hadn't been born until the end of the rebellion. Rhaegar had been married off years before (since he had no Targaryen sisters to wed at the time, Targaryen's always marry siblings to keep line pure) and had at least 1 child with his wife already. So R+L=J has some legitimacy issues in the Irone Throne claim, but who doesn't at this point.. So why not him?
     
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  18. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I don't know what the Westerosi rules are regarding polygamy. Is there any chance that Rhaegar was secretly married to Lyanna even though he was already married to Elia?
     
  19. robojerk

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    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Polygamy#Polygamy_in_Westeros

     
  20. wedgecon

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    Good Catch, I had forgotten all about that.
     

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