Game of Thrones S06E10 Season Finale The Winds of Winter

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  1. Rob Helmerichs

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    Well, I don't know if "love of his life" is right. He's still just a kid...probably "super-hot woman who's willing to sleep with him" is the closest he can come.

    But your point still stands. :D
     
  2. ct1

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    He should have forced the Red woman to take the Black.

    And the library...
     
  3. robojerk

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    She did resurrect Jon from the dead. So her banishment seems fair, and Jon's warning about never returning was on point.
     
  4. MacThor

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    Banishing her seems an odd choice, if he was swayed by her argument that she's a weapon against the Night King. Davos doesn't get justice, and Jon doesn't have the weapon.

    Davos is dutiful. I doubt he'd harm her against his commander's orders.

    Maybe he can find the finished manuscripts for The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring in that library.
     
  5. MacThor

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    Also, I wonder why Melisandre never proposed to Jon before the battle, "You can have sex with me and father a shadow baby that can kill Ramsay with no other loss of life."
     
  6. DevdogAZ

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    Speaking of the library, what was up with all the chains hanging down in front of all the books?
     
  7. DUDE_NJX

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    Books used to be expensive...
     
  8. DevdogAZ

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    I thought that required kings blood. Maybe Rhaegar's blood in Jon would work, but does Melisandre know that?
     
  9. BitbyBlit

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    At the very least, he is a person that can unite the two houses. The Starks are the house most concerned with the approaching White Walkers, and Daenerys is the one with the forces most capable of stopping them.

    For all Petyr's cunning, I think he underestimated the threat of the White Walkers and overestimated the strength of the Lannisters. All the other houses are now against the Lannisters and/or allied with Daenerys. (Except possibly the Freys. But we'll have to see what the ramifications of Walder and his sons' deaths have for that house. And, as Jaime pointed out, they aren't much use to the Lannisters anyway.) The events he set in motion have ultimately ended with the Lannisters being in an extremely weak position, thus making it easier for Daenerys to stake her claim to the Iron Throne. And once she has established herself in King's Landing, it will be far harder for him to take the throne for himself than it would have been with Cersei, Tommen, or even Joffery in charge.

    The only remaining potential threat to Daenerys are the Starks and the Vale, but I don't think they have the desire to fight her over the throne. And even if they did, they know that there is a greater threat to Westeros than her. Petyr could try to convince Jon to stake his claim to the throne (once his true parentage became more widely known), but it would be a long shot to try to pit the North against Daenerys. Although, if there were to be a war between them, it would be interesting to see how Theon once again handled the choice between allegiance to the Starks and the Greyjoys.

    Given that attempting to use his manipulative skills on the Night King would likely be an exercise in futility, Petyr's best hope now is that the united forces of Westeros are able to defeat the White Walkers, but only barely. Of course, if Bran is able to learn from the Trees of Knowledge about Petyr's involvement in everything, he might not survive long enough to attempt anything anyway.
     
  10. DevdogAZ

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    But they weren't preventing anyone from taking books off the shelf. They appeared to just be short pieces of chains hanging down, only anchored at the top. And even if they were tight and anchored at both ends, they weren't spaced closely enough to prevent books from being slid out between the chains. A true theft prevention system would need to be horizontal, not vertical.
     
  11. Shaunnick

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    Dany survived the hut burning with the dothraki horse lords, pus there are several clues in S1 where Dany seems to be impervious to heat.

    Jon and Viserys have not had that protection. I do wonder if Viserys had lived if the dragons would have cozied up to him despite his cruelty.

    Hopefully when (assuming it happens) Jon and the dragons meet up they will recognize his Targaryen roots.
     
  12. john4200

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    I thought it had to do with getting to the higher shelved books. Climbing? Moving shelves? Pulling yourself along on a wheeled ladder?
     
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    Or if Bran and Jon are reunited, then Dany tries to attack the North with three dragons, it would be good to see Bran and Jon each warg into a dragon, and then it is two dragons against one, in favor of the North.
     
  14. robojerk

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    I think the fireproof thing is a Danny only thing at the moment. Like not all Starks were Worgs.
    I could argue maybe since the 'lord of light' (fire and all that) brought Jon back from the dead addition to his Targaryon blood, that now he's fireproof and just doesn't know it yet. Depends on what GRRM wants.
     
  15. Rob Helmerichs

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    Seems to me he's been working against the Lannisters (secretly and not so secretly). They hold him in such contempt that he'll never rise under their rule.

    But I agree that he, and just about everybody who isn't Jon Snow, has seriously underestimated the threat from the real North. As well as, of course, the threat from the East. I had thought that they were building to a great civil war in Westeros only to be overshadowed by Dany and the White Walkers, but the great civil war has already pretty much fizzled out. I can now see Jon raising an army to fight the Lannisters, only to find there's nobody left to fight!
     
  16. MacThor

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    She seemed to sense something within him when she tried to seduce him at Castle Black.
     
  17. BitbyBlit

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    Oh, he was definitely working against them. First it was by pitting the Starks against them, then it was pitting the Tyrells, and now it is the Vale (along with the Starks again). But I think he also thought they would take the other houses with them in a war that ultimately destroyed their house. Instead, they have now basically united all the other houses against them.

    Ironically, this unity might be just what allows the people of Westeros to join together soon enough to stand up to the White Walkers. Had there been a different house in control of the Iron Throne, there might have been more contention over it. So, by being the lesser common enemy before the greater common enemy, the Lannisters might have played a key role in the defeat of the White Walkers.
     
  18. robojerk

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    I think the key to peace/alliance between the north and the south (assuming Danny kicks butt) is Tyrion.
    • Jon and Tyrion became friendly during the trip to the wall.
    • Tyrion treated Sansa with respect and humanity during her Lannister imprisonment. In hindsight if she had to choose between Jeoffrey, Ramsay, Littlefinger, or Tyrion I think Tyrion wins hands down..
    I think Tyrion is also well aware that Ned and Cat Stark were manipulated by not only his family but others, and I think he thought of the Stark family as stubbornly noble good people, whose stubborn nobility was their fatal weakness (love in Robb's case).

    I can easily see Jon and Sansa, or Tyrion reaching out to the other to discuss things. I mean Danny has already agreed to give the Greyjoys their independence, I'm assuming the Martells of Dorne got the same agreement. Tyrion knows the north is loyal to a fault to the Stark name and after such a discussion seeing that Jon and Sansa have no real interest to fight Danny, but instead are worried about monsters north of the wall I think an agreement would be easily made.

    However Littlefinger is toxic, and would probably try sabotage any deal. Luckily Varys knows about Petyr's ambitions and has hopefully shared them with Tyrion and Danny.
     
  19. MacThor

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    I've always felt since Season 1 that the game was between Petyr and Varys.

    Petyr plays using chaos, pitting great houses against each other to weaken them, and add rungs to the ladder for him to climb. Remember, to him, "the climb is all there is."

    Varys is using information to gather strength. He didn't want war to break out in Westeros until the Targaryens were ready to invade with the Dothraki. Now he has facilitated an alliance between the two biggest rivals in the south, plus the iron islands and the forces of Essos to boot!
     
  20. BitbyBlit

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    The chains appeared to be attached to the books.
     

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