Game of Thrones - S06E09 "The Battle of Bastards" - 06/19/16

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  1. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

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    That leak was probably from an on-demand streaming service that made the video available too early by mistake.
     
  2. stellie93

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    It's really hard for book readers to remember what they read vs what they saw on the show. I was sure that the scene I'm thinking of related to Joffrey's motive was on the show, but I guess I was wrong. Luckily I didn't post it.
     
  3. Kablemodem

    Kablemodem Get the ketchup.

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    You don't want people using book knowledge to spoil something that hasn't happened yet on the show, but what's wrong with using book knowledge to help figure out something that the show did a poor job of portraying or left out entirely?
     
  4. JETarpon

    JETarpon Well-Known Member

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    Especially when it's a plot point from 4 or 5 seasons ago.
     
  5. BrettStah

    BrettStah Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Yep, and also a plot point that will realistically never be further explored in the show.
     
  6. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    I use HBO Go and it is available to stream at 9pm on Sunday nights.
     
  7. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    This. I doubt they are going to rehash this on the show so I'd say if the book provides more information about it, it's fair game.
     
  8. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

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    This is my take on things. I care about spoilers not book vs show events already happened. :up:
     
  9. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

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    At this point, it's the show spoiling the books! C'mon Martin, get it done!
     
  10. kaszeta

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    He's busy writing 20 pages of prose about Ramsay carving that apple before stabbing Osha ("delicately peeling layer upon layer from the tender Arbor apple from Highgarden")
     
  11. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

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    I understand that arguing a point with you can be an endless proposition. So I'll say this and get out: your argument that "there was nothing on the show to say that Joffrey had nothing to do with the attempted assassination" has a simple logic flaw: that would apply to anyone. IOW, there's nothing in the show to say that Hodor had nothing to do with it, either.

    So the fact that the show didn't try to prove a negative is not proof of anything.

    And that's been my point. Everyone lied. It's a complete mystery. We don't know and will probably never know. However, the show presented us with plenty of evidence to theorize about the culprit. None of the evidence presented even remotely pointed to Joffery (or Hodor, or Benjen, or the Night King).

    So anyone who includes Joffrey on the list of suspects is bringing baggage from the books. If you watched the show only, Joffrey is not a suspect.
     
  12. JETarpon

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    If you watched the show only, everyone is a suspect.
     
  13. john4200

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    No, I did not say that the show did not prove a negative. I said that your claim that Joffrey had nothing to do with the assassination attempt has no supporting evidence on the show.

    You have no basis for eliminating Joffrey from the list of suspects. He was there, we know that he was quite capable of murder from subsequent show events, and he matches the profile of someone who would stupidly use an identifiable knife. He must be considered as a suspect.

    Motive, means and opportunity. Joffrey lacks a clear motive in the show (although he has been known to kill for no reason), the means certainly exist within his abilities (stealing the dagger and finding a footpad to do the job), and he was there so he had plenty of opportunity.
     
  14. markp99

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  15. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

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    I did not claim that Joffrey had nothing to do with it. I did not dispute the means or the opportunity. Everyone except Cat "could" have done it or ordered it done. That includes Ned or any Stark, even.

    As you say, ON THE SHOW, Joffrey had no motive. That's is all I've been saying. So we agree.
     
  16. john4200

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    Actually, you did claim that Joffrey had nothing to do with that:

    Perhaps you added in your head "that we were shown on-screen". But that is not what you wrote. Joffrey could have overheard something, or have another reason entirely. Or no good reason other than delighting in hurting and killing.

    As for everyone could have done it, that is absurd. Few people had access to the dagger, few people would have been stupid enough to try killing Bran anyway since they would know or could easily find out that Cat had not left Bran's bedside for a second, and would not be likely to leave him in the event of an alarm. Few people would have been stupid enough to use an identifiable dagger, or have motive to try to frame someone else for the killing. The list of plausible suspects is short, and Joffrey had the means, opportunity, and foolishness to do it. Jaime and Tyrion would not be so foolish. Maybe Cersei or Robert would be, but Robert is not practiced at intrigue (and so would have not managed it, or have been seen or overheard), and Cersei probably would have asked Jaimie about it and he would have pointed out how foolish it would be to try with Cat at Bran's bedside. None of the Starks would have been so foolish, and they all have motive NOT to kill Bran.
     
  17. TiVoStephen

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    Sproingclaw, the heirloom blade of House Mormont. This is where the rubber really meets the rode.
     
  18. Raisltin Majere

    Raisltin Majere The 96 YNWA

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    It's broadcast 2am on Mondays here
     
  19. SullyND

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    Hi Stephen!
     
  20. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    Did anyone catch Seth Meyer's "Game of Jones" bit on Thursday's Late Night where he watched this episode with Leslie Jones? You should check it out on YouTube; pretty hilarious.
     

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