Game of Thrones s06e03 - "Oathbreaker"

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  1. TampaThunder

    TampaThunder Well-Known Member

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    LOL - I've read the books 4 times and it's not until I follow this link that things are finally cleared up for me. Thanks much. :)
     
  2. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

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    When I'm a medieval swordsman of fine repute I will always have a few archers in my company, advised to stay back a bit and shoot people who are trying to kill me.
     
  3. Ereth

    Ereth Unemployed Bum

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    That's a good point. Ned and crew didn't seem to be particularly well armored, though Arthur Dayne clearly was.

    Have we seen a bow that would penetrate the armor Dayne was wearing? A crossbow could, but I'm not sure the normal bows we've seen could, barring a fortunate shot in a weak spot.

    Archers in the tower could have slaughtered Ned and his crew. Archers with Ned probably wouldn't have been very effective at all.
     
  4. john4200

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    Dayne was only wearing a breast plate, back plate, and helmet. An archer could have shot him in the leg or the ass without needing the arrow to penetrate plate armor.

    And we have seen crossbows multiple times on the show. Also, a longbow can penetrate plate armor as long as it is within 20 meters or so.
     
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  5. Anubys

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    Isn't it sad when a nit-pick correction is wrong?

    how embarrassing for you!

    Her name is actually Ros. Not Roz. I used Rose; which is the way it's spelled in her native tongue; which I'm fluent in, of course. Certainly, no Westorosian would ever spell it as you suggest. That would be just silly!
     
  6. goblue97

    goblue97 Welcome Home, Jimmy!

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    You're just being silly now. I even admitted that she may spell it the way you did.
     
  7. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    What a silly genius.
     
  8. Kablemodem

    Kablemodem Get the ketchup.

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  9. dcheesi

    dcheesi ...I'm not.

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    [emphasis mine]

    It's not dishonorable to use your unique skills in combat. Most men don't fight with two swords because most men can't. There were plenty of swords lying about if Ned had felt inclined to even things up. But that's not his fighting style; he'd just wind up tangling his own blades on each other and getting killed.

    I think that's supposed to be part of Dayne's fame, that he can effectively and advantageously wield two full long-swords in the first place. (Whether anyone could ever do that IRL is another question, but for the purposes of a fantasy show...)

    What does bother me a bit is that Dayne is the Sword of the Morning because he carries a unique, irreplaceable sword of great renown --yet here he's wielding two swords that look practically identical.
     
  10. ozzman73

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    You are welcome. It's amazing the world building that went into this show and books.
     
  11. john4200

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    It is not dishonorable to use your skills (unless your "unique skill" is lightning-fast backstabbing), but it is dishonorable to be better armed than your opponent. True, Ned could have picked up another sword (or better yet, a shield), but Dayne did not stop and give him that opportunity, nor did he offer to throw down one of his swords. Not very honorable.

    As for Dayne's longswords, they did look to be the same length and size. But the sword that Dayne stuck in the dirt has a sun with rays emblem on the pommel. It is hard to see, but I do not think his other sword had that. Still, Dawn is supposed to be forged from star metal (i.e., heart of a fallen star, aka meteorite) and is supposed to look pale or white, but neither of Dayne's swords appeared to have an unusual color.

    The sword Dayne stuck in the dirt. Note the sun and rays emblem on the pommel, which is distinct from the sun and spear emblem of house Martell.

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  12. stellie93

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    That's for the links--although all the info on Robert's rebellion was in the books, it was carefully spread out one little tidbit at a time so no normal human could read the books and pick it all up. So we read again and again.... ;)
     
  13. JYoung

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    I saw it this way:

    During the first season, Jamie challenged Ned once or twice "just to see who's better" and Ned would decline saying that he didn't fight for sport, which Jamie takes as Ned not willing to back up his reputation as a swordsman.

    So when they finally do fight, Jamie goes into it very confident that he can beat Ned.
    But as the fight goes on, you can see the expression on Jamie's face change as he starts to realize that Ned is good swordsman.

    A very good swordsman.

    A very good swordsman whom he's not sure he can beat.

    Which is very sobering for "The Best Swordsman in all of Westeros".

    Which was part of the reason Jamie was upset at the man who intervened.
    Because now he'll never know if he could have beaten Ned.
     
  14. Ereth

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    Yeah, I saw it the same way.
     
  15. Anubys

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    I completely agree. That's exactly how I saw it as well. I don't think my post and yours are at odds (not implying that you thought they were at odds).
     
  16. Anubys

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    I'm glad you admit that you're wrong! I accept your backhanded apology. You need to now think thrice before trying to contradict me*

    You get me.







    * inside joke
     
  17. vertigo235

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    Brieanne also seemed to hold her own with Jamie as well.

    Maybe Jamie just wasn't all that good at all.
     
  18. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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  19. Anubys

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    She didn't hold her own, she beat the crap out of him.
     
  20. vertigo235

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    And didn't the hound handle her pretty well too? Or was that because he cheated?
     

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