Game of Thrones s06e03 - "Oathbreaker"

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  1. May 9, 2016 #101 of 204

    mbhuff New Member

    Jan 24, 2004
    New York


    If you are wondering what "R+L=J" is about, or what everyone else is talking about on this thread, or already know, but want to know more:

    Really good summary including diagrams :)
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  2. Ereth

    Ereth Unemployed Bum

    Jun 16, 2000
    One thing I noticed right away was that Arthur Dayne actually successfully maneuvered the fighters so that they were all in front of him. They moved again, but he wasn't just doing the "bad karate movie fight one at a time" bit, he was actually controlling the fight intelligently.

    I thought it was choreographed well. By moving the opponents around, he negates their numerical advantage and has them blocked by one another.

    He was clearly better than Ned. It'd be interesting to know if he was better than Jamie Lannister, back when he had both hands.
  3. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Not really. It was more like most of his opponents did not want to stab him in the back, even though they had the opportunity.

  4. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Because that's not honorable. Howland Reed only did it as a last resort, and notice how neither he nor Eddard ever told anyone about it, because he would have been thought of as a coward if people knew what he did.
  5. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

    Oct 31, 2009


    Yes, as usual for GoT, an over-developed sense of honor got a lot of men killed there.

    That odd notion of honor certainly benefited Dayne, who did let people get behind him (actually, he had a huge blindspot given that helmet he was wearing -- I'd guess his field of view couldn't have been more than 120 degrees, and maybe less). And if having two longswords was really an advantage (which it should not be, but in the GoT world we are supposed to think that it was), then Dayne was not very honorable to fight with two swords when he was down to one opponent with one sword.

    Too bad Ned's party did not have any pole arms. Or better yet, longbows.

    I also don't understand why Ned did not have a shield, or even a buckler or dagger for his off hand.
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  6. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I got the impression when watching the Jamie/Ned match that Jamie was starting to think that Ned was better than he when his man intervened.
  7. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Watch it again. At least three of the men in Ned's party had shields and used them during the fight.
  8. brianp6621

    brianp6621 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Nov 22, 1999
    San Jose, CA

    No. He was spinning and dodging/blocking blows from all sides at the same time until he maneuvered out from in between all of them. As Ereth said I immediately noticed that there was actual strategy/footwork in the choreography vs the movie trope of only having the front guys attack.
  9. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Yeah, the fight that Jaime will always be known for consisted of him stabbing somebody in the back... :D
  10. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    Ned's sword seemed to be normal-sized (get your dirty minds off my post, you perverts!).

    Did he not have Ice back then?

    as for the fight between Ned and Jamie, they seemed evenly matched to me.
  11. heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

    Jul 2, 2001
    Sarasota, FL
    I don't think Ice was ever a sword that he carried around and fought with. Too big.
  12. RegBarc

    RegBarc Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2003
    If you carefully look at first season, you can see him carrying around this same sword from the fight while in King's Landing. It's what he fought Jaime Lannister with. Ice is really a ceremonial sword.
  13. RegBarc

    RegBarc Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2003
    Yeah, that's the impression I got as well. Whoever choreographed that fight scene did a fantastic job.
  14. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

    Nov 22, 2008
    Boring Ohio
    ahhh I'm so glad I came to read this thread, I was so confused during that entire flashback. I knew it was Ned and I knew who he was referring to by "my sister" but I was clueless who he was fighting and why.

    I was angry to see another direwolf be slaughtered. I was so nervous episode 1 for Ghost too.

    Also are we to believe by Arya getting her sight back that she really has become no-one or is this the "something else" he referred to before?

    "Good. Now go and fail again." I love Davos.
  15. ozzman73

    ozzman73 Home Made

    Nov 27, 2006
    For those interested in more background on Robert's (Baratheon) Rebellion and how we got here the following depiction will clear things out. If you want to keep your knowledge strictly show based, don't click on the link.
  16. RegBarc

    RegBarc Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2003
    Bringing it back to the Tower of Joy fight in the show (compared to book stuff):

    Where was the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard during that fight? Is he just being left out, or is he somewhere up the staircase?
  17. ozzman73

    ozzman73 Home Made

    Nov 27, 2006

    I think, your guess is correct, most likely up the staircase
  18. Shaunnick

    Shaunnick Active Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Knoxville, TN
    My guess is he was simply cut from the show. While Gerold Hightower had some importance in the books with relation to Jaime Lannister and a few others, the battle at the Tower of Joy came down to Ned's relationship to the Dayne family (which I doubt the show will get into since it has no bearing on the ultimate events) and more importantly the fact that Dayne nearly killed him, and would have had it now been for Howland Reed.

    I don't even think they named the other kingsguard member on the show, so it could have been Hightower or Whent.

    As to Reed, I think his role in the books and in the show is more important, so it is important for people to understand now what relationship he and Ned had (close friends with Reed having saved Ned from certain death) so that any fan theories out there will make sense if Reed ends up in fact having secret knowledge about anyone.
  19. goblue97

    goblue97 Welcome Home, Jimmy!

    May 12, 2005
    I thought it was Roz but I suppose she could have spelled it like you did.

    This is my obligatory nitpick Anubys post so I can be subscribed to the thread.
  20. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    You're right. I guess I was focusing on Ned. It is odd that Ned did not have a shield or something else for his off hand.

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