Game of Thrones s06e03 - "Oathbreaker"

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  1. May 9, 2016 #61 of 204
    DevdogAZ

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    Prince Rhaegar impregnated Lyanna and then went off to fight in the war. He left two of the Kingsguard there to guard the tower because Lyanna was carrying a royal heir.

    I suspect in an upcoming episode we'll see another flashback where Lyanna makes Ned promise that he'll never reveal the child's true parentage before she dies. That's why Ned tells everyone the child is his bastard, even though everyone says it goes against everything he stood for to cheat on Catelyn.
     
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    gossamer88

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    He's pretty old and those are the first things to go.
     
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    BitbyBlit

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    I doubt that Noble Ned would do something like that. We don't know that she was the only one in the tower. In fact, hearing her screaming, at the very least there were probably people either helping her or hurting her.
     
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    gossamer88

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    I take the screaming as labor pains.
     
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    uncdrew

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    Ah, thank you. He probably told his wife though, right? And she probably told a little bird...


    Phew.
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    My question is whether they ran off together (in which case Jon is simply a Targaryen bastard instead of a Stark bastard), or eloped (in which case Jon is the legitimate Targaryen claimant to the throne).

    Rhaegar was married at the time, but have we ever heard that bigamy is illegal in Westeros?
    I doubt it...she really, really hated Jon. And if she knew the truth, she would have had no reason to.

    Somebody must have known, though. If they eloped, perhaps the person who married them..?
     
  7. May 9, 2016 #67 of 204
    RegBarc

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    Yeah, Ned is ridiculously noble, to an (arguable) fault. An example of that was in the fight he got in with Jaime Lannister in the first season (taking responsibility for his wife's arrest of Tyrion Lannister). Also, in the fight in this episode, he took credit for the death of the Sword of the Morning. If he had told the truth the Howlen Reed stabbed him in the back, it would have ruined Reed forever. Stabbing someone in the back, in that universe at least, is pretty much the lowest thing you can do as a highborn.
     
  8. May 9, 2016 #68 of 204
    Kablemodem

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    RegBarc

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    It's a common theme of the books, that's been often repeated in the show, that each off-screen story is told by perspective of an unreliable narrator. If you listen to Barriston Selmy tell stories of Rhaegar, he has only glowing things to say about him. Ned, on the other hands, was more than happy to see him dispatched to oblivion.
     
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    Shaunnick

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    Or a friend who happened to be there that day, who just so happened to save Ned's life.

    Who also happens to be the father of the girl Bran i straveling with...
     
  11. May 9, 2016 #71 of 204
    Shaunnick

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    If we're going to do this, Ned actually had a respectable opinion of Rhaegar, also.

    He never voiced it, because his good friend Robert Baratheon absolutely hated the guy.
     
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    RegBarc

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    My bad, I actually meant King Robert when he was thinking back in Season 1 to what Rhaegar did to Lyanna. Ned never really addressed his opinion of him in the show. I don't think at least.
     
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    DUDE_NJX

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    Neil Patrick Harris as young Ned?
     
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    uncdrew

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    Interesting. So win/win for Ned. He doesn't get killed AND he can take credit for the kill knowing Reed would never tell the truth.

    I'm pretty noble and I take my sword-fighting seriously. But you kill the dude who is going to kill your mate, no matter how. I think Reed is the hero, and I will now be on his side.

    But I did wonder where he came from. I thought Ned was the last standing. Did Reed hide or was knocked out, conveniently recovering just in time?
     
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    mooseAndSquirrel

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    Plus, double sword dude took on 5 at once. But like a bad karate movie, they attacked him in series. If he could be stabbed in the back so easily, you'd think one of the dudes with a sword might have taken a whack at him while he was otherwise engaged.
     
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    LordKronos

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    Also in regards to the possibility of Ned keeping Jon's true lineage a secret, remember that Robert wanted every Targaryen killed. So there absolutely could not be any chance that info would slip out. Also, at the time this would have happened, how long had Ned at Catelyn been married? My recollection was that they weren't together very long before Ned went off to help Robert. So at that point, yes she's his wife, but how much can he really trust her?
     
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    Robin

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    That's how I took it.
     
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    uncdrew

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    Makes sense. Ned would keep a secret to just himself.

    I have lots of secrets, problem is lots of people know about them.
     
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    Shaunnick

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    He was the first guy struck down, just not mortally wounded like the rest.
     
  20. May 9, 2016 #80 of 204
    Anubys

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    I disagree with your disagreement. The show left plenty of clues as to the identity of Jon Snow. If people have not figured it out and are still in the dark, they're not paying attention.

    I'm not a book reader and I figured it out back in season 1 or 2...
     

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