Game of Thrones s06e03 - "Oathbreaker"

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  1. May 9, 2016 #41 of 204
    Shaunnick

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    That was a direwolf's head, Shaggydog (Rickon's Direwolf).
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    No, according to Ned she was kidnapped and raped by Prince Rhaegar, the Mad King's son and heir. The rebellion was started when Ned's family and friends went to the Mad King demanding satisfaction, and he had them murdered. What we saw this week was the beginning of Ned's rescue of his sister after the war had ended.
     
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    TonyD79

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    madscientist

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    Yes. Ser Arthur Dane was titled "The Sword of the Morning" because of his sword, named "Dawn", which was forged from a fallen star. He was a member of the Kingsguard for the last Targaryen. He was considered the greatest swordsman alive at the time. The fight between him and Ned Stark is famous... but of course it was told by those who survived :)

    That scene was at the end of the rebellion after the mad king had been defeated. The Red Tower is in Dorne (where the Sand Snakes etc live). Ned and his bannermen found out that Dane was there and believed they might have Lyanna, Ned's sister with them.

    And what Rob said :)
     
  5. May 9, 2016 #45 of 204
    Shaunnick

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    Ned was fighting two members of the old Kingsguard (before Robert formed his new Kingsguard). Their duty was to protect the Targaryan's just like the current Kingsguard does.

    After the death of Rhaegar Targaryan and his father the mad King, Ned Stark rode south to Dorne to a place calle dthe Tower of Joy (where this scene took place). There he meets two members of the Kingsguard who for whatever reason Rhaegar ordered them to guard Lyanna, Ned's sister, from harm. Ned is asking the one, Arthur Dayne, known as the sword of the morning, where she is.

    Ned is very nearly killed by Arthur, and is only saved by his good friend, Howland Reed (Jojen and Meera's father).
     
  6. May 9, 2016 #46 of 204
    Shaunnick

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    Longer than that. Bran was born in summer and has never seen a winter.
     
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    pendragn

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    I thought the exact thing. Of course it was telegraphed a lot, but as soon as that scene started I mentioned to my wife, "Well there's Ned." It might have been the hair that was the most obvious clue.
     
  8. May 9, 2016 #48 of 204
    uncdrew

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    I don't know what either of those mean? Seriously.

    Is this from the Ned Stark retrospective?
     
  9. May 9, 2016 #49 of 204
    BitbyBlit

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    Daenerys wasn't rescued by her dragons either, so perhaps Mother's Day in Westeros and Essos is a week or two after ours. :D

    But the fact that what they showed was even important enough to be shown can really only mean one thing unless they were only showing us what they did solely to mislead viewers. Since they have never done that with any other scene, I would say that what they showed in this episode was confirmation enough, even if they didn't actually show us anything. In fact, Tree Dude specifically not wanting Bran to see any more actually says quite a lot.
     
  10. May 9, 2016 #50 of 204
    gossamer88

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    Anyone hear Pycelle fart as the Mountain, Cersei entered the room. LOL!
     
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    uncdrew

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    So Varys and Qyburn work together on intel, and always have?

    Or did Qyburn start his own side-business?


    And Cersei sure seems to know all about it? Did she know all about Varys' operation? He seems to pride himself on being the only one who knows how it all works.
     
  12. May 9, 2016 #52 of 204
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yep. The Tower of Joy is where Lyanna is being held; the Sword of Morning is the guy with two swords.
    My assumption is that Qyburn is now taking over for Varys, including what he can find of Varys's intelligence network. Qyburn is Cersei's creature, so I guess what he knows, she knows. The same was almost certainly not true of Varys.
     
  13. May 9, 2016 #53 of 204
    6079 Smith W

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    [Fart noise] (or something similar) was actually in the closed captions in that scene.
     
  14. May 9, 2016 #54 of 204
    BitbyBlit

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    I think Jon is going to leave the Night's Watch specifically because he does not want them to deal with the White Walkers by themselves. He was bound by his oath to stay with them before, but now he is free to work in uniting all the people of Westeros against what is coming.

    Of course, the only help he has is a limited number of the Free Folk, and I'm not sure how gung ho they would be about helping him take over the North. Perhaps they would be more willing to follow him now that they have seen him rise from the dead. But even with the help of every one of them who could fight, Jon is going to have a tough time defeating the Boltons and their allies. He only brought 5000 of them through the wall, and that included women and children.

    However, unlike the Free Folk trying to take over places on their own, Jon could help them organize and perhaps bring in houses that had not allied themselves with the Boltons, or that had only reluctantly done so under threat. It would be interesting to see what kind of deal Jon makes between the Free Folk and the houses regarding who gets what land when this is all over.

    Another option is potentially bringing Daenerys in with her army and dragons. I'm not sure who now controls Stannis' ships: the Night's Watch, the Iron Bank, or the sellswords who fled Stannis' army. But if Jon somehow is able to use them, he could provide the ships that Daenerys now needs. Hopefully once Daenerys is rescued, Varys can finally tell her how Ned Stark stood up to the King when he ordered the murder of her and her unborn child.

    I was hoping that Barristan Selmy had known that, and would have told her when she was discussing it with him. But apparently word of that did not spread very far. At the very least, he was there when Ned walked out of the room where Robert was lying on his deathbed, and told Varys to cancel the order to kill her. But apparently he didn't read anything into that other than Robert changing his mind on his own.

    On the other hand, Daenerys might not get over to Westeros until winter has completely taken over. King Aerys II might have been mad, but perhaps not completely wrong. I wonder if he saw what the people of King's Landing would become, and that is why he wanted to "burn them all". I'm also curious as to what happens in Essos when winter comes.
     
  15. May 9, 2016 #55 of 204
    nickels

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    They even talk about the battle (Trident) where Prince Rhaegar was killed by Robert Baratheon. The kings guard said if they were there he would still be alive and the traitors would have been killed.

    As for the story, it is told by the winners. Lyanna Stark most likely loved Prince Rhaegar, and was not kidnapped or raped. She loved him and left willingly as was hinted earlier by Petyr Baelish in the crypts of Winterfell to Lady Sansa.
     
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    uncdrew

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    I did!

    I thought it was me. I wasn't quite sure.

    Dolby 5.1 and all. :eek:
     
  17. May 9, 2016 #57 of 204
    BitbyBlit

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    It was also referenced back in Season 3 when Davos pronounced knight "kah-nigit" while learning how to read. That implied that not only was the speech the same, but also the spelling. It could mean English is officially their tongue or that the story is "translating" ideas in addition to words.

    I don't know if the book mentions anything specific, but as far as the show is concerned, I think it is just done that way for convenience, much like having completely alien species in sci-fi shows speak English. In many cases, we are not even told what their "real language" is.
     
  18. May 9, 2016 #58 of 204
    uncdrew

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    Thanks. :)


    So Ned has sex with his sister? Gross. I used to like this show.
     
  19. May 9, 2016 #59 of 204
    allan

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    Damn, I thought that was thunder from the T-storm I got last night! :eek: :D
     
  20. May 9, 2016 #60 of 204
    DevdogAZ

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    Pycelle must have terrible hearing and vision. How did he keep talking while it was clear people were entering the room and all the other members of the Small Council were turning to look?
     

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